IainB Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Heathcote said: As I said it’s only recent as he wasn’t shutting off going into the first bends prior to the CLRC and as it says above if he gets to the first bend in front he’s off and gone, it’s only when he realises that he may have to get the elbows out in the first turn does he shut off. Similar thing happened in the first leg of the cup at home, heat 8 I think it was, clearly appeared to have the speed to get past Foord, but every time he got close or had the chance to go outside him, he shut off. It's not recent though, he was identified as doing it at the end of last year. When he shuts off going into the first bend he was invariably last he was shutting off so much, not even 2nd or 3rd and then proceeded to be the whole length of a straight behind the riders in front. Now that's okay if he wants to be the next Jack Smith or Connor Coles but if he's the next messiah as some are predicting he ain't going to get anywhere with that approach to his Speedway. His end of season form has been as bizarre as anything I've seen from a rider that I can ever recall. Edited October 24 by IainB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 35 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: End of short career It'd be very sad if that were the case, maybe Speedway first bends just aren't for him, they can be brutal and not really comparable to many other motor sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 39 minutes ago, Heathcote said: As I said it’s only recent as he wasn’t shutting off going into the first bends prior to the CLRC and as it says above if he gets to the first bend in front he’s off and gone, it’s only when he realises that he may have to get the elbows out in the first turn does he shut off. Similar thing happened in the first leg of the cup at home, heat 8 I think it was, clearly appeared to have the speed to get past Foord, but every time he got close or had the chance to go outside him, he shut off. It’s concerning lack of effort in 3 races last night.That not what fans want to see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 3 hours ago, Heathcote said: As I said it’s only recent as he wasn’t shutting off going into the first bends prior to the CLRC and as it says above if he gets to the first bend in front he’s off and gone, it’s only when he realises that he may have to get the elbows out in the first turn does he shut off. Similar thing happened in the first leg of the cup at home, heat 8 I think it was, clearly appeared to have the speed to get past Foord, but every time he got close or had the chance to go outside him, he shut off. On 9/24/2023 at 7:14 PM, M.D said: Really nice style and very fast when riding. Ive not seen him live myself so only watched him a few times on TV. He is young and as I have said, looks very good but does seem to shut off when he's in close contact with riders and needs a bit more aggression I'm first turns.. I don't really want to quote myself but I pointed out the issue over a year ago. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 4 hours ago, IainB said: It's not recent though, he was identified as doing it at the end of last year. When he shuts off going into the first bend he was invariably last he was shutting off so much, not even 2nd or 3rd and then proceeded to be the whole length of a straight behind the riders in front. Now that's okay if he wants to be the next Jack Smith or Connor Coles but if he's the next messiah as some are predicting he ain't going to get anywhere with that approach to his Speedway. His end of season form has been as bizarre as anything I've seen from a rider that I can ever recall. I'm not going to comment on your views of Boughen and Coles. One thing I can say is that Jack Smith gave 100% for Glasgow and suggesting that if Boughen continues to perform the way he has done recently he would end up like Jack is out of order. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, SharpenRake said: I'm not going to comment on your views of Boughen and Coles. One thing I can say is that Jack Smith gave 100% for Glasgow and suggesting that if Boughen continues to perform the way he has done recently he would end up like Jack is out of order. It's amazing what people want to read into posts sometimes... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 7 hours ago, Heathcote said: As I said it’s only recent as he wasn’t shutting off going into the first bends prior to the CLRC and as it says above if he gets to the first bend in front he’s off and gone, it’s only when he realises that he may have to get the elbows out in the first turn does he shut off. Similar thing happened in the first leg of the cup at home, heat 8 I think it was, clearly appeared to have the speed to get past Foord, but every time he got close or had the chance to go outside him, he shut off. He's been doing it all season, not as regular as recently but definitely been doing it all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted October 27 Report Share Posted October 27 On 10/24/2024 at 6:55 PM, IainB said: It's amazing what people want to read into posts sometimes... What else would you make of your post? "That's ok if he wants to be the next Connor Coles or Jack Smith" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 27 Report Share Posted October 27 6 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: What else would you make of your post? "That's ok if he wants to be the next Connor Coles or Jack Smith" Somebody who's been in a reserve berth position for the whole of their careers and never really progressed from that. That's okay as the sport needs these type of riders, but there's been a lot of hype surrounding Boughen unlike the other 2 named riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 27 Report Share Posted October 27 6 hours ago, IainB said: Somebody who's been in a reserve berth position for the whole of their careers and never really progressed from that. That's okay as the sport needs these type of riders, but there's been a lot of hype surrounding Boughen unlike the other 2 named riders. Perfectly explained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: For Ashton to help regain his confidence going into the bends, he is practicing in the close season on a tricycle and Here it is. What a crap attempt at a joke. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 3 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: Ok Mr Serious What's serious, is that you are having a pop at a young rider who has done remarkably well 2 years after first sitting on a speedway bike. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInTheDHSS Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 9 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Shutting off is not going to move him forward in his racing career. So has he gone backwards since starting his racing career two years ago? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 11 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Shutting off is not going to move him forward in his racing career. Dont think he shut off when he beat Lawson in play off final or cup final. He will be a top rider one day, he has the speed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 I have noticed Ashton shutting off at times when in traffic, but it is not all the time, seems to be more when on inside gate, however in Glasgow's final match with Oxford he was mixing it and doing a bomber pass on the outside, he scored 12 from 4 rides, was excluded in his first for returning to pits. He is only 17 , I am quite sure he will be a top rider some day, his gating skills and speed are remarkable for his limited experience. I am sure if Bomber is his mentor then he will learn how to mix it without being injured. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted October 29 Author Report Share Posted October 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Yes if he shuts throttle off into bends. Absolute nonsense. This is a prime example of somebody having read a few comments on a forum and has judged Boughen because of it. Have you ever seen him actually race live? I've said multiple times on this forum, it's not a traffic thing. He lifts off on the first lap on occasion (most noticeable at the start/first bend), but then gets going for the rest of the race and is quick. No idea why he does it, but he does. It's not really held back his progression (other than towards the end of this season), so let's see what he does next year before writing him off. Perfect example that 1) he lifts off on the first lap, but 2) he's not afraid to mix it in traffic right here... Edited October 29 by Bojangles 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted October 29 Author Report Share Posted October 29 13 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: Let’s hope so, I’m not picking on the lad,he may have had a knock or fall which being young may have had an adverse affect making him nervous. Let’s hope Bomber can sort it for him. Not picking on him? You posted a picture of a tricycle and said he need to practice on that! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeandTV Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 He was sensational when at Leicester. Was very disappointed when he left for Oxford/didn't continue in the National Development League. He's come a long way in a very short space of time, there's always bound to be a few hiccups on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Youhave2minutes said: Let’s hope so, I’m not picking on the lad that is exactly what you are doing for some strange reason 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 2 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Let’s hope so, I’m not picking on the lad,he may have had a knock or fall which being young may have had an adverse affect making him nervous. Let’s hope Bomber can sort it for him. youve literally posted 15 times on this thread since it was rekindled last wednesday so i think you very much are 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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