therefused Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, firstbend said: No, I do not know what Mark should have done, but I do know what could have made it worse! oh dear, stop burying your head in the sand and open your eyes as to what is wrong with the Plymouth promotion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, firstbend said: Greg Blair and BSN have totally condemned the Plymouth management with totally inaccurate information. To suggest that Mark Phillips only turned up at 1800 hours to start work on the track is completely wrong. Mark had obviously done a lot of work on the track earlier and then left the track to dry out naturally when the rain stopped about mid day. Do you know that if you put pressure by tyre packing or similar on a track that has much water held in its lower layers then you are in danger of the track becoming thixotropic and resulting in a mushy mess. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I am sure that Mark may well have played things differently had he known the outcome. Mark is one of the most hardworking promoters in the U.K. He has put a vast amount of his money on developing and meetings speedway going in Plymouth. If SPN wants to see the end of speedway in Plymouth then keep up your rant over the Plymouth Management and in particular Mark Phillips. We are in great danger of losing many tracks this winter, for example Wolverhampton, Peterborough, Birmingham, Edinburgh. What difference would the addition of Plymouth make to this list.? I thought that BSN was there to promote speedway not hasten its demise! You cant polish a turd, I`d have more respect for the Plymouth promotion if they just come out and admitted they got it wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Greg’s opinion is unlikely to be accepted as defamation, unless it can be proved he didn’t believe what he was saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Noelinho said: Greg’s opinion is unlikely to be accepted as defamation, unless it can be proved he didn’t believe what he was saying. Indeed, defamation is a very high bar to reach, any journalist/ reporter would just use a 'fair comment' defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 47 minutes ago, screm said: You cant polish a turd, I`d have more respect for the Plymouth promotion if they just come out and admitted they got it wrong. They are taking a long time in deciding to say they made a cock up of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) The wall of silence is not a good look from the club. Edited August 9, 2023 by Mike0310 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsetpirate Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Currently holidaying in Devon, good bit of exposure on local itv news just now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, firstbend said: Greg Blair and BSN have totally condemned the Plymouth management with totally inaccurate information. To suggest that Mark Phillips only turned up at 1800 hours to start work on the track is completely wrong. Mark had obviously done a lot of work on the track earlier and then left the track to dry out naturally when the rain stopped about mid day. Do you know that if you put pressure by tyre packing or similar on a track that has much water held in its lower layers then you are in danger of the track becoming thixotropic and resulting in a mushy mess. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I am sure that Mark may well have played things differently had he known the outcome. Mark is one of the most hardworking promoters in the U.K. He has put a vast amount of his money on developing and meetings speedway going in Plymouth. If SPN wants to see the end of speedway in Plymouth then keep up your rant over the Plymouth Management and in particular Mark Phillips. We are in great danger of losing many tracks this winter, for example Wolverhampton, Peterborough, Birmingham, Edinburgh. What difference would the addition of Plymouth make to this list.? I thought that BSN was there to promote speedway not hasten its demise! Never in my speedwaying life have I heard the phrase "thixotropic", with a now 23 year engineering background, every day appears to be a school day. On the "why's everyone complaining about it" People have paid a lot of money to get to the Speedway, spent a lot on accomodation food etc, paid to get in and sit there until 1945 (45 mins after tapes were scheduled to go up) and then had their evenings ruined. BSN have paid good money to get set up, sold streams, got the commentators in place, only to have to refund all the streams. How much money did they lose last night? If you go to a restaurant that's rubbish do you leave a good review, if you go to a theme park that's dog poop do you tell all your friends it was great?? No you don't you tell people the truth. Does any single person on here want Plymouth to close for 2024?? Of course they don't, but if you want to come to the party you have to BYOB and at the moment from the outside it looks like Plymouth have turned up with a plastic bag with some Tesco's value larger and a bag of everyday value mixed crisps. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 If 2 ref's declared the track fit to race but then some of the away team refused to ride, it is most unfair to blame the promotion. There has just been a report on the local news which were at the track last night, they clearly reported it was a few of the Berwick team which did not want to ride. Mark has done a great job since he took over and he certainly doesn't deserve all the nasty comments that have been made. All the calls he's made in the last few week's have been the right ones saving not only himself unnecessary costs but travelling rider's and supporters also. I am very grateful that thanks to Mark we have speedway in Plymouth, long may it last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Pinny said: Agree regarding referees having some form of track knowledge . As it stands, they are far too influenced by certain riders and bow down to them. Especially riders who are well passed their sell by date and hanging round for a few final paydays. Referees know which riders are going to difficult. Ultimately it's only the captains they will listen to. If you have a young captain like Leon they will have had immense pressure from certain elder riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I believe a statement about this abandonment will be made in a joint statement also including the arrangements about the Jubilee Trophy final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, iainb said: I believe a statement about this abandonment will be made in a joint statement also including the arrangements about the Jubilee Trophy final Have Leicester now discovered some available dates then? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I think you should all read Matt Bates report. With 2 ref's declaring the track fit, the main instigator being a Berick rider influencing the rest causing the meeting to be postponed Berwick were withholding their service's, in that case they should be fined and should also forfeit the points with Plymouth getting them. If the rider concerned has lost his bottle mayba he should have stayed retired. It is extremely unfair to blame Plymouth when it was all brought about by Berwick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 4:29 PM, Toni said: I think you should all read Matt Bates report. With 2 ref's declaring the track fit, the main instigator being a Berick rider influencing the rest causing the meeting to be postponed Berwick were withholding their service's, in that case they should be fined and should also forfeit the points with Plymouth getting them. If the rider concerned has lost his bottle mayba he should have stayed retired. It is extremely unfair to blame Plymouth when it was all brought about by Berwick Where can we find Matt Bates report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 4:29 PM, Toni said: I think you should all read Matt Bates report. With 2 ref's declaring the track fit, the main instigator being a Berick rider influencing the rest causing the meeting to be postponed Berwick were withholding their service's, in that case they should be fined and should also forfeit the points with Plymouth getting them. If the rider concerned has lost his bottle mayba he should have stayed retired. It is extremely unfair to blame Plymouth when it was all brought about by Berwick But didn’t Richie Worrall come off the track shaking his head when he had his practice laps? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 4:29 PM, Toni said: I think you should all read Matt Bates report. With 2 ref's declaring the track fit, the main instigator being a Berick rider influencing the rest causing the meeting to be postponed Berwick were withholding their service's, in that case they should be fined and should also forfeit the points with Plymouth getting them. If the rider concerned has lost his bottle mayba he should have stayed retired. It is extremely unfair to blame Plymouth when it was all brought about by Berwick Really.! Mark Philips never mentioned that last night when explaining why the meeting didn’t take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 What did he give as the reason as there is nothing on the gladiators website just says more to follow which it’s said since Tuesday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Mike0310 said: What did he give as the reason as there is nothing on the gladiators website just says more to follow which it’s said since Tuesday night. He really just waffled that the rain didn’t stop till 3 and there is no point of doing anything till the track dried out a bit hence the tyre packing.He thought the track would be Ok after 3-4 heats but the riders didn’t fancy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: He really just waffled that the rain didn’t stop till 3 and there is no point of doing anything till the track dried out a bit hence the tyre packing.He thought the track would be Ok after 3-4 heats but the riders didn’t fancy it. He and Garry May said it was riders from both teams - not just the 2 that did the practice laps - that weren't prepared to ride! Mark Phillips didn't blame anybody or anything - except the weather. He did have a sideways pop at Greg (who he called Grant!) Blair's comments! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/10/2023 at 4:29 PM, Toni said: I think you should all read Matt Bates report. With 2 ref's declaring the track fit, the main instigator being a Berick rider influencing the rest causing the meeting to be postponed Berwick were withholding their service's, in that case they should be fined and should also forfeit the points with Plymouth getting them. If the rider concerned has lost his bottle mayba he should have stayed retired. It is extremely unfair to blame Plymouth when it was all brought about by Berwick I’ll have some of whatever you’re smoking 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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