LisaColette Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) I did count away from home as well lol. I might just change it to 6 and under then lol Also he wasn't No1 for all that. He went from No1 to almost reserve at one point. He was saved from that by a small margin. Edited August 11, 2023 by lisa-colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 Well i bought the BSN and i should have known better...........dross as usual at Poole Poole have done the right thing preparing a track that you cant pass on as they have a team of gaters particularly their top two who cant pass anyone You cant blame Poole for doing that they want to be successful and its the only thing that keeps the crowds coming in as Poole fans notoriously disappear when they arent winning Poole track used to be good when they had a team of racers there like Loram and Nicholls............no way would the track be prepared as it is now if this was 1999 lol You go for home track advantage and nothing wrong with that......you certainly wouldnt see the move Harris did on Doyle he wouldnt have had any chance on the current track What annoys people is the fact Poole fans cant take this point of view......its clear to everyone the track is set for gaters ....accept it and move on My track Ipswich is not a great track and we know that as Ipswich fans and certainly wouldnt claim it to be good like Poole fans What we do have is amazing riders like Doyle and Emil who bring in the crowds ......we arent likely to make top 4 but we go to see these 2 superstars So come on Poole fans admit the track is poor but its done to be successful which is fine 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Gavan said: Well i bought the BSN and i should have known better...........dross as usual at Poole Poole have done the right thing preparing a track that you cant pass on as they have a team of gaters particularly their top two who cant pass anyone You cant blame Poole for doing that they want to be successful and its the only thing that keeps the crowds coming in as Poole fans notoriously disappear when they arent winning Poole track used to be good when they had a team of racers there like Loram and Nicholls............no way would the track be prepared as it is now if this was 1999 lol You go for home track advantage and nothing wrong with that......you certainly wouldnt see the move Harris did on Doyle he wouldnt have had any chance on the current track What annoys people is the fact Poole fans cant take this point of view......its clear to everyone the track is set for gaters ....accept it and move on My track Ipswich is not a great track and we know that as Ipswich fans and certainly wouldnt claim it to be good like Poole fans What we do have is amazing riders like Doyle and Emil who bring in the crowds ......we arent likely to make top 4 but we go to see these 2 superstars So come on Poole fans admit the track is poor but its done to be successful which is fine Don't other teams have any gaters then. Poole can't have the only ones surely.?? ps. Opposition riders, when interviewed, often say the track is great. Sam Masters said exactly that on Wednesday, and would 'love to race there every week'! The usual suspects on here complained about holes and ruts in the past but they have been sorted out a few years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 In my experience what riders think is a good track and what supporters do can differ greatly. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: In my experience what riders think is a good track and what supporters do can differ greatly. Poole used to be a bit rough with ruts and a bit bouncy, lots used to moan about it, now it is smooth riders prefer it but lots moan about lack of passing but very few tracks have alot of passing unless there are mistakes or mismatches in ability, also I think at this time of year it seems it is difficult to prepare a track that generates much passing, i went to Oxford recently and Poole got hammered but there was very little passing, unusual for Oxford you might say. I think later in the year when we get to the play offs you will see better racing at Poole than we have recently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: In my experience what riders think is a good track and what supporters do can differ greatly. But its riders and associations/federations that are choosing the bikes that prefer those tracks. All speedway countries need to agree to downgrade the machinery, make it more about skill and racing ability rather than out and out throttle. It'll never happen though..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Don't other teams have any gaters then. Poole can't have the only ones surely.?? ps. Opposition riders, when interviewed, often say the track is great. Sam Masters said exactly that on Wednesday, and would 'love to race there every week'! The usual suspects on here complained about holes and ruts in the past but they have been sorted out a few years ago. Oooh. That is what the Oxford fans were getting their knickers in a twist about when they were saying his goal is to ride for Poole. Did he say that on stadium mic or BSN? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: In my experience what riders think is a good track and what supporters do can differ greatly. Yes, riders often happy with smooth and consistent generally. But obviously some riders want more dirt than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: In my experience what riders think is a good track and what supporters do can differ greatly. Especially if your a gater and one of the Leagues top men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Don't other teams have any gaters then. Poole can't have the only ones surely.?? ps. Opposition riders, when interviewed, often say the track is great. Sam Masters said exactly that on Wednesday, and would 'love to race there every week'! The usual suspects on here complained about holes and ruts in the past but they have been sorted out a few years ago. No Poole arent the only team of course they arent but you have two top riders who are gating tarts in Lawson and Worrall......good top riders for sure but not known for passing people nothing wrong with that I would put riders like Schlein, Masters, Sedgeman, Cook as gating riders I would say Pickering , Harris , Basso, Nicholls , Barker, Wright, King and Douglas as examples are more racers. If you had a top 3 at Poole of Pickering , Nicholls and Wright as an example, i doubt the track would be prepared the same....................its a simple observation Back in the day you had Louis and to a lesser extent Havvy and Dugard as gaters and riders like Loram and Screen as racers........ And yes Worrall and Lawson could come from the back same as Louis and Dugard and yes sometimes Harris or Basso do make gates as Loram and Screen sometimes did But primarily you set your track and your starts how your riders want them and Poole are doing nothing wrong in what they do .............just i dont see why Poole fans see it differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Gavan said: No Poole arent the only team of course they arent but you have two top riders who are gating tarts in Lawson and Worrall......good top riders for sure but not known for passing people nothing wrong with that I would put riders like Schlein, Masters, Sedgeman, Cook as gating riders I would say Pickering , Harris , Basso, Nicholls , Barker, Wright, King and Douglas as examples are more racers. If you had a top 3 at Poole of Pickering , Nicholls and Wright as an example, i doubt the track would be prepared the same....................its a simple observation Back in the day you had Louis and to a lesser extent Havvy and Dugard as gaters and riders like Loram and Screen as racers........ And yes Worrall and Lawson could come from the back same as Louis and Dugard and yes sometimes Harris or Basso do make gates as Loram and Screen sometimes did But primarily you set your track and your starts how your riders want them and Poole are doing nothing wrong in what they do .............just i dont see why Poole fans see it differently Lawson and Worrall may well be gaters but there are 5 other riders in the team too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 17 hours ago, foreverblue said: Poole used to be a bit rough with ruts and a bit bouncy, lots used to moan about it, now it is smooth riders prefer it but lots moan about lack of passing but very few tracks have alot of passing unless there are mistakes or mismatches in ability, also I think at this time of year it seems it is difficult to prepare a track that generates much passing, i went to Oxford recently and Poole got hammered but there was very little passing, unusual for Oxford you might say. I think later in the year when we get to the play offs you will see better racing at Poole than we have recently. Doesn't have to be passing to be a good race though (for me at least)... often a close race with no passing can be as exciting as a race with passing. Passing shouldn't be easy, it should take skill and bravery, that's what makes it exciting (for me). But at Poole, especially last Wednesday generally the "racing" was so spread out and from the gate, the very worst kind of Speedway for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 59 minutes ago, iainb said: Doesn't have to be passing to be a good race though (for me at least)... often a close race with no passing can be as exciting as a race with passing. Passing shouldn't be easy, it should take skill and bravery, that's what makes it exciting (for me). But at Poole, especially last Wednesday generally the "racing" was so spread out and from the gate, the very worst kind of Speedway for me Yes, was very spread out but more to do with Oxford's top heavy team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Yes, was very spread out but more to do with Oxford's top heavy team? Don't think so... Plymouth had a top heavy team at Glasgow last night Worrall, Barker, Howarth, then nothing, racing was excellent! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, iainb said: Don't think so... Plymouth had a top heavy team at Glasgow last night Worrall, Barker, Howarth, then nothing, racing was excellent! Yes they did well to get 35. It got more spread out but Scotty's breakdowns didn't help and I think he only got used to Masters second bike later in the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) Jason Doyle and the Swindon Select side didn't have any problem with the track when they won there this year. If you're good enough you can win on any track, as Swindon proved for a few years at Poole before they folded. Top riders like Doyle and Masters can master any track, mentally strong. Edited August 12, 2023 by auntie doris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toady Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, auntie doris said: Jason Doyle and the Swindon Select side didn't have any problem with the track when they won there this year. If you're good enough you can win on any track, as Swindon proved for a few years at Poole before they folded. Top riders like Doyle and Masters can master any track, mentally strong. Yeh I don’t remember darcy ward or Chris holder having any probs passing on that track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Toady said: Yeh I don’t remember darcy ward or Chris holder having any probs passing on that track 10 years ago... nobody denies that it hasn't produced decent racing in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toady Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 39 minutes ago, iainb said: 10 years ago... nobody denies that it hasn't produced decent racing in the past People were always complaining about a blue groove and ruts even that far back however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Toady said: People were always complaining about a blue groove and ruts even that far back however They were, more passing though when someone hit one. Prob not so fun for the riders though. I think they would rather it was smooth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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