WHY DO YOU BOTHER ?

[justathought]

I used to quite enjoy looking on these forms, people used to actually talk about Speedway and all the good things it has to offer.

However, more recently it seems to be generally full of people who do nothing but moan, complain, are rude and just down right nasty. It's full of comments that have no relevance to the truth or are just made up rubbish. Arrogant self-opinionated people, who obviously have nothing better to do with their life other than put people down and think they are either funny, clever, or both.  

It really is simple. Perhaps have an open mind to things, stop trying to see a conspiracy in everything and that people are trying to rip you off all the time. 

It's a fantastic sport. Enjoy it, go and watch a meeting on a lovely summer's evening, except it for what it is.................... Get a grip.  

  

[Ben91]

You do realise the irony of moaning about moaning. 

This place is the same as it’s always been. People complain, people squabble, people troll. But nobody would be here if they weren’t speedway fans. 

[IainB]

If you're not prepared to have your opinions challenged then Forums are not for you... agree there's no need to be rude or nasty though.

[False dawn]

1 minute ago, Ben91 said:

You do realise the irony of moaning about moaning. 

This place is the same as it’s always been. People complain, people squabble, people troll. But nobody would be here if they weren’t speedway fans. 

With respect, that's not so. In the forum's early days (~20 years ago) I built a circle of friends, amongst the regular posters, that extended all around the world. And continues to this day. Groups of posters used to meet at the British Final, go and sit together at Cardiff etc. Perhaps most important was the quality of debate on here. We didn't all agree, far from it. But we knew the value of a considered and well presented argument. As well as some truly amusing comments.
I see elements of those early days, to this day, which is why I'm still here. Although I agree with much of your analysis in that the eternal bickering, trolling and conspiracy theorists are much in evidence. Not to mention those that have "inside knowledge" but refuse to tell, beyond the click bait initial posting.

We could all leave. But that would be a case of "throwing out the baby with the bath water". Better still, completely ignore those that don't play "by the rules". And before you say, "What rules, Fd?" consider how we'd behave if we were all physically together, rather than sat behind our keyboards.

[GeneralMelchett]

34 minutes ago, iainb said:

If you're not prepared to have your opinions challenged then Forums are not for you... agree there's no need to be rude or nasty though.

He raises a good point tho - I recall attending a football match once - one fan sat behind me spent the entire game moaning - 'yer effing Shi8E Wednesday'  according to him the ref was bent in both meanings of the word, the opposition were cheats - he left five minutes before the end and missed his sides winning goal from a penalty in the last minute - it had actually been a decent game ending in a 3-2 win for his side - My takeaway from that game was why the heck did you go if it caused you so much stress!

Some people are just never happy - as i often say some would complain if there was owt to complain about!

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by GeneralMelchett

[GeneralMelchett]

34 minutes ago, iainb said:

If you're not prepared to have your opinions challenged then Forums are not for you... agree there's no need to be rude or nasty though.

Pipe down you (Joke obvs!)

[IainB]

There's also people that just don't see the positive posts, I've been accused many times of being negative... but if I see a good match or race I also say so, some people choose not to see that though and just focus on the negative

[old bob at herne bay]

IMO the level of moaning and complaining on this forum has increased, and is commensurate with the continuing decline in the sport in the UK.

Nothing has been done to attempt to reverse this decline and so people DO have legitimate reasons to voice their complaints and criticism. 
The rose coloured glasses brigade who think everything is wonderful are just as entitled to keep on spouting their opinions as the others who think that the closure of Pboro  and Wolves and poss KL is the continuing slow and sad demise of the sport. 
 

No need for rudeness though I agree.

 

 

[GeneralMelchett]

4 minutes ago, iainb said:

There's also people that just don't see the positive posts, I've been accused many times of being negative... but if I see a good match or race I also say so, some people choose not to see that though and just focus on the negative

There is undoubted truth in that too - I had a team mate at football once - you could have given him 10 comments over a game - 9 would be entirely positive one negative yet he would home in on the negative and react to it!

[IainB]

7 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

There is undoubted truth in that too - I had a team mate at football once - you could have given him 10 comments over a game - 9 would be entirely positive one negative yet he would home in on the negative and react to it!

Last night I posted a few times on the KL v Ippo thread, somebody posted that the racing was crap and there wouldn't be any overtaking, every time there was an over take I commented on it... absolutely nobody else did, all anybody wanted to comment on was how crap the racing was and Buster this, Buster that

[Ben91]

15 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

IMO the level of moaning and complaining on this forum has increased, and is commensurate with the continuing decline in the sport in the UK.

Nothing has been done to attempt to reverse this decline and so people DO have legitimate reasons to voice their complaints and criticism. 
The rose coloured glasses brigade who think everything is wonderful are just as entitled to keep on spouting their opinions as the others who think that the closure of Pboro  and Wolves and poss KL is the continuing slow and sad demise of the sport. 
 

No need for rudeness though I agree.

 

 

And this is the nail hit squarely on the head I believe. 

[JoeW436]

Some of it is just moaning I agree but a lot of it is just our sheer frustration with the sport we love and nothing seems to be done about moving with the times and changing. I stood there last night watching a pretty average meeting (two teams I don’t even support) with very few overtakes, interrupted multiple times by a tractor going round and round without actually doing too much track ‘grading’ if you have to stop because of the sun setting just announce it, don’t leave everyone just standing around wondering what’s going on. A sport like speedway should suit kids with increasingly short attention spans but the powers at be don’t seem to really care or understand this. Half the reason I was there last night was partly because if we don’t use it it will be gone forever, but that way of thinking is rapidly dissipating personally and a lot of others are feeling the same way.

I also went to my clubs meeting on Monday (Peterborough) and could say exactly the same again, so this is by no means a pop at Kings Lynn. Everyone is accountable top to bottom in the sport.

Edited August 4, 2023 by JoeW436
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[IainB]

10 minutes ago, JoeW436 said:

Some of it is just moaning I agree but a lot of it is just our sheer frustration with the sport we love and nothing seems to be done about moving with the times and changing. I stood there last night watching a pretty average meeting (two teams I don’t even support) with very few overtakes, interrupted multiple times by a tractor going round and round without actually doing too much track ‘grading’ if you have to stop because of the sun setting just announce it, don’t leave everyone just standing around wondering what’s going on. A sport like speedway should suit kids with increasingly short attention spans but the powers at be don’t seem to really care or understand this. Half the reason I was there last night was partly because if we don’t use it it will be gone forever, but that way of thinking is rapidly dissipating personally and a lot of others are feeling the same way.

I also went to my clubs meeting on Monday (Peterborough) and could say exactly the same again, so this is by no means a pop at Kings Lynn. Everyone is accountable top to bottom in the sport.

Your posts from the KL v Ippo thread last night:

"Not much danger of any overtaking tonight. Exactly what’s happened to the showground"

"three meetings I’ve tried this this at Kings Lynn, all been processional crap. Two common denominators, the track surface and the owner."

It wasn't a classic I'll agree but there was a sprinkling of good racing. I'll agree with the hold ups at Lynn last night though, 15 races crammed into 2 hours and 5 minutes.

I was also at the Peterborough match on Monday night and there was some decent Speedway racing and it was all done by 21:06
 

[justathought]

Perhaps, I didn't phrase my post very well. 

I understand people's frustration etc with speedway. I can see why people get fed up with all the messing about that takes place. But, it kinda is what it is.  What gets on my nerves are the people who just make things up to suit their argument/point of view. I honestly do appreciate other's view point, but it has to be factual and have some purpose to it. 

 

[JoeW436]

6 minutes ago, iainb said:

Your posts from the KL v Ippo thread last night:

"Not much danger of any overtaking tonight. Exactly what’s happened to the showground"

"three meetings I’ve tried this this at Kings Lynn, all been processional crap. Two common denominators, the track surface and the owner."

It wasn't a classic I'll agree but there was a sprinkling of good racing. I'll agree with the hold ups at Lynn last night though, 15 races crammed into 2 hours and 5 minutes.

I was also at the Peterborough match on Monday night and there was some decent Speedway racing and it was all done by 21:06
 

Are people happy to spend the best part of  £70/80 if it’s a family for a sprinkling of entertainment with the economic situation is the way it is? I’d happily stand around till 10pm if it’s an entertaining meeting but I can’t remember the last exciting one we had at the Showground. 

[IainB]

6 minutes ago, JoeW436 said:

Are people happy to spend the best part of  £70/80 if it’s a family for a sprinkling of entertainment with the economic situation is the way it is? I’d happily stand around till 10pm if it’s an entertaining meeting but I can’t remember the last exciting one we had at the Showground. 

Totally agree... you should post what you feel, don't be upset if people don't agree with you though. I only cited this in context to the title of the thread. Attending a meeting in person or watching it on TV can be two completely different experiences.

There was some good stuff last night... it wasn't maybe "exciting" but just watching Sayfutdinov and Doyle was Speedway purist pleasure

[Moranboys]

2 hours ago, justathought said:

I used to quite enjoy looking on these forms, people used to actually talk about Speedway and all the good things it has to offer.

However, more recently it seems to be generally full of people who do nothing but moan, complain, are rude and just down right nasty. It's full of comments that have no relevance to the truth or are just made up rubbish. Arrogant self-opinionated people, who obviously have nothing better to do with their life other than put people down and think they are either funny, clever, or both.  

It really is simple. Perhaps have an open mind to things, stop trying to see a conspiracy in everything and that people are trying to rip you off all the time. 

It's a fantastic sport. Enjoy it, go and watch a meeting on a lovely summer's evening, except it for what it is.................... Get a grip.  

  

Accept even...lol

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Not matter what the opinion is on here one thing is certain we all want speedway to get a grip & sort itself out. The comments on here have become more negative & I’ll include myself in that. The negativity is however in-line with the on going line of decline that the sport is witnessing.

It’s all very well saying get a grip it’s a great sport go & watch it but the reality is those who are willing to do that is declining at an every faster rate.

I used to genuinely love my speedway & I had my rose tinted specs on for years.

My watershed moment came about 15 years ago when the rules were changed mid season around the elite league play offs. In a heart beat I went from attend every week to 4 or 5 times a season, when I finally got fed up with the ever increasing number of riders missing meetings, the guest fest & out of control doubling up. This saw me stop attending all together, although the past couple of years I have gone once or twice as a night out to catch with with the group who used to go to speedway.
 

From the age of 10 though to 32 Speedway was my sport Ipswich my team, however I lost interest in the sport & my emotional attachment to my team because of the reasons above. 

This year I have been to Foxhall more times than since 2009 the reason is the racing has been good in the main & the Emil factor.

However it’s a night out I don’t attend as a passionate Ipswich fan because I can’t get that level of attachment any longer hence can’t see myself being a regular again.

on the flip side the way Ipswich is ran & presented gives an insight into how speedway could look given half a chance. 
 

 

[FishersGate]

This entire forum is about engaging with other fans. Talking about racing, tracks, transfers, old times etc and obviously with all this comes moaning. I understand people may not like moaning all the time but quite frankly the British are the best at it. It's not only speedway where fans moan. It's in every sport. It's all doom n gloom and if there is sport where moaning is at its highest..it's probably speedway and rightly so. If you've been going for number of years even decades and you see your beloved sport slowing dying right Infront of you, you are going to get moaning and groaning and miserable old farts thinking the world is going to end. I moan, but I moan not only about speedway but the ashes recently, my club west ham not signing anyone and pretty much everything I buy in a supermarket. Moaning is what the forum is almost built for. Have a winge, have a laugh and get some opinions off your chest. I love the moaning personally. I stand with people every week at Leicester who moan and groan about the speedway world but we always end up laughing about in at the end. 

[mikebv]

7 hours ago, iainb said:

Last night I posted a few times on the KL v Ippo thread, somebody posted that the racing was crap and there wouldn't be any overtaking, every time there was an over take I commented on it... absolutely nobody else did, all anybody wanted to comment on was how crap the racing was and Buster this, Buster that

I think most of us on here see the racing itself as as good at any time of its life, and are quick to say it as often as we can..

The marketing and operating model of it though is, quite correctly, questioned and called out for not being fit for purpose if you ever want the sport to move forwards....

Constructive criticism is vital for growth if you are open minded enough to accept it, and, more importantly, use it..

Edited August 4, 2023 by mikebv