Edinburgh Vs Poole 4th August

[midlandred]

41 minutes ago, GS550 said:

I see it from a couple of angles, Steve is just genuinely enthusiastic and supporting his team etc.  I guess none of us are perfect, I certainly aint, and our enthusiasm can take over sometimes.  His team are also doin alright so I guess he's entitled to be a bit enthusiastic.

Anyways, above all else, best wishes to the cameraman.

Gracious!  Someone actually sticking up for old Shoveller! That’s a rarity.

Agreed, best wishes to the cameraman, same to Roynon, Cook too.

[Wee Eck]

21 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

This unfortunate freak accident could easily have repercussions for many stadium and club owners up and down the country that run any form of motorsport,

If the investigation includes H&S findings then the stadium lighting could come under further sanctions for positioning and the protection from any impact .

Stadiums that run Stock Car meetings i believe have to install higher grided impact fences to help eliminate any objects from ending up in the spectator areas ,now this has happened at a speedway meeting it's possible that this may become mandatory for any stadium that runs speedway meetings as well ,

But who foots the bill , the clubs or the stadium owners .

Heres hoping for positive news about the cameramans condition 

From what I’ve read so far, the accident didn’t occur in the spectator area, but I’m not sure what exemptions apply to photographers and camera operators who are standing in what is usually a no go area

[cinderfella]

22 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

From what I’ve read so far, the accident didn’t occur in the spectator area, but I’m not sure what exemptions apply to photographers and camera operators who are standing in what is usually a no go area

I recall year ago when the dogs were still racing at Armadale there was various large pieces of equipment, possibly the starting traps, within the 'no-man's land' area at what is now the 4th bend. Everything within that area including lighting stantions ALWAYS had padding on them.

Just how much protection a few inches of foam would offer against a speedway bike I don't know but I think it wouldn't be much.

If H&S decrees all fitting around a track such as fence supports, lighting supports etc have to be dug  and concreted in deeper and reinforced then you have to ask if they would be come just as dangerous if there was no give to them?

 

But the important matter for now is the health thing is the health, both physically and mentally of all the parties involved.

And again may I express gratitude and appreciation to all the medical staff in attendance last night. 

[scaramanga]

i agree with the ones who are saying if its real bad it shouldnt be shown 

i also dont expect anything untill we know the guy is going to  be ok which is the main thing 

ive seen some footage from people i know thats never been released from accidents at road races and it changes your views  

but as allready said no one wants to see anyone hurt in the sports we follow  

[Steve Shovlar]

46 minutes ago, midlandred said:

Gracious!  Someone actually sticking up for old Shoveller! That’s a rarity.

Agreed, best wishes to the cameraman, same to Roynon, Cook too.

Less of the old! 

[Neila]

6 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Just went to find out if the guy is ok and recovering and found a load of twaddle about unions and Thatcher!

So thought I would go to a more reliable source, the local paper, who I wrongly assumed would be running it as a headline. Nowt, nothing, ziltch. Which is surprising considering an air ambulance and an abandoned sports event would normally make the news in any region of the U.K.

Cumbria crack an online news service in Cumbria had a report of the unfortunate incident, with Craig cook being an Cumbrian 

[foreverblue]

2 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Yeah but does he mean cos it will be one league and NL?  

Possibly no idea

[H20]

I really hope we hear positive news of this cameraman that's been injured.

For anyone there did this happen in the 2m zone from track fence to spectator fence ? Someone mentioned earlier about H&S getting involved but speedway already has a rule of a 2m zone from track fence to spectators and I'm not sure anyone is exempt from entering this area even though you do see people mainly photographers in this zone.

Fingers crossed for good positive news 

[M.D]

I do hope all involved are ok, both  physically and mentally.

This does sound like it will be classed as a RIDDOR so will need to be reported to the HSE.

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by M.D

[Debbi]

4 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

Please do not try pretend that that overwhelming vast majority of people are not interested in this. The same applies when a crash occurs on the opposite side of the motorway and everybody starts rubbernecking to see the accident bringing the traffic to a near stand still as people simply cannot help themselves

If I posted a YouTube link to the incident right now I can guarantee 99 percent of this forum would be clicking it. No different than all the speedway crash videos having the most views online or the papers suddenly becoming interested in the sport when something like this happens. There is a difference though between being interested in seeing an incident for yourself and some of the absolute drivel that is posted on here which can be insensitive.
 

Best wishes to the camera operator and look forward to hearing about a full recovery.

“The Drivel on here can be insensitive” if you are a family member or friend do you not think posting a video of the incident is extremely insensitive especially when injuries and there severity are not know publicly.

As for rubber necking something I do not do as more often or not when people do this it creates more incidents sometimes worse than the ones being looked at, also police are cracking down on this now.

[SilentLurker]

14 minutes ago, Debbi said:

“The Drivel on here can be insensitive” if you are a family member or friend do you not think posting a video of the incident is extremely insensitive especially when injuries and there severity are not know publicly.

As for rubber necking something I do not do as more often or not when people do this it creates more incidents sometimes worse than the ones being looked at, also police are cracking down on this now.

Yes I do think it would be insensitive, but it is what people do whether you think that is right or wrong was not my point.

As for rubbernecking, well done for not doing it but as you mentioned the police are cracking down on it and I would imagine that is because the overwhelming majority do, do it.

[chun]

yet more virtue signalling in the absence of new news.  let’s hope the photographer had not strayed into an unauthorised area.  surely it’s safer to be on the centre green where you have an unobstructed view of the racing

[teaboy279]

6 hours ago, scaramanga said:

i see it different 

im a big road racing fan 

dont like seeing people hurt but i like to see for myself what actually happened 

too many bits get added or left out when you hear it 2nd hand 

its not always wanting to see gory details just a clear understanding 

 

 

 

Absolutely spot on!! 

[Mr Blobby]

Everyone will be pleased to hear Peter (the photographer) has posted an update to let everyone know his condition thank god it’s not as bad as first feared. 
 

Hello all. Thought I'd provide a quick update. 
First of all a massive THANK YOU to everyone who took the Time to message and call. I truly felt the love of the Speedway Family and am blessed to be part of it.
I have just come out surgery to close two wounds on my head. All went well. I do have small breaks to my C2 and C3 vertebra and will be in a neck bracelet for about 12 weeks but again everything will be fine.

[Noelinho]

There is a public update on Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid083CwJ6Sve4F8eUgN8BT7RXqbxp6gWd9s1LPpAJVHgqsSpEtzduyJDBoCVQkkj4JAl&id=100001054358978

[daz9100]

On the Berwick stream tonight they said that "Only a Scotsman could get smacked in the head by a speedway bike and then be sat up in bed eating toast the following morning"

So hopefully that is true and the poor photographer is making a speedy recovery.

[Jaizer]

1 minute ago, Mr Blobby said:

Everyone will be pleased to hear Peter (the photographer) has posted an update to let everyone know his condition thank god it’s not as bad as first feared. 
 

Hello all. Thought I'd provide a quick update. 
First of all a massive THANK YOU to everyone who took the Time to message and call. I truly felt the love of the Speedway Family and am blessed to be part of it.
I have just come out surgery to close two wounds on my head. All went well. I do have small breaks to my C2 and C3 vertebra and will be in a neck bracelet for about 12 weeks but again everything will be fine.

Great to hear 

[ruffdiamond]

2 hours ago, SilentLurker said:

As for rubbernecking, well done for not doing it but as you mentioned the police are cracking down on it and I would imagine that is because the overwhelming majority do, do it.

Shouldn't the police be dealing with the actual incident, rather than looking to see who is looking?

[SteveLyric2]

26 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Everyone will be pleased to hear Peter (the photographer) has posted an update to let everyone know his condition thank god it’s not as bad as first feared. 
 

Hello all. Thought I'd provide a quick update. 
First of all a massive THANK YOU to everyone who took the Time to message and call. I truly felt the love of the Speedway Family and am blessed to be part of it.
I have just come out surgery to close two wounds on my head. All went well. I do have small breaks to my C2 and C3 vertebra and will be in a neck bracelet for about 12 weeks but again everything will be fine.

That's great news. Well done to all the Emergency Services

[eide67]

Fantastic news!