mikebv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, iainb said: Statement in English: “This wasn't how last night was supposed to end. Even after hours have passed, I'm still shocked and bloody angry at what happened. “As you probably well know, I was disqualified from yesterday's Grand Prix in Vojens due to the mistakenly worn Kevlar I wore during qualifying. “This first unimaginable mistake in my life was that I wore my individual Kevlar which did not have the logo of the Championship Sponsor. “Several dozen minutes before the start of training, I took part in marketing campaigns, which ended shortly before qualifying. “Returning to the bus, I instinctively took Kevlar, which turned out to be the wrong one. Despite my mistake, I was allowed to practice by the competition referee. “No one reported any problems before, during or after qualifying (which of course doesn't excuse me). I had the proper kevlar ready for the competition. “I was informed about the decision of the jury chairman shortly before the competition, and unfortunately the appeal did not bring any results - I was ultimately not allowed to take part in the competition. “I am speechless because, as I said, such an inexplicable mistake happened to our Team for the first time in their lives. “I can assure you that we will make every effort to ensure that this never happens again. “Therefore, now I would like to sincerely apologize to all Sponsors, thousands of Fans who came to Denmark and those whom I let down.” I can see this easily happening again.. Dark room, poor lighting, open the wardrobe and grab the nearest set of kevlars to you... We've all done it.... Oh. And forget all about the rules around wearing the official kevlars, plus your team forgetting the same as well... And the race director needs to forget the rules too as they let you onto the track... Amazed it doesnt happen in every GP to be honest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: I can see this easily happening again.. Dark room, poor lighting, open the wardrobe and grab the nearest set of kevlars to you... We've all done it.... Oh. And forget all about the rules around wearing the official kevlars, plus your team forgetting the same as well... And the race director needs to forget the rules too as they let you onto the track... Amazed it doesnt happen in every GP to be honest... It was a good job it was an almost identical race suit he pulled out of his van and not his Scooby Doo onesy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, iainb said: It was a good job it was an almost identical race suit he pulled out of his van and not his Scooby Doo onesy Hanna-Barbera might have done him for Copyright.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, mikebv said: I can see this easily happening again.. Dark room, poor lighting, open the wardrobe and grab the nearest set of kevlars to you... We've all done it.... Oh. And forget all about the rules around wearing the official kevlars, plus your team forgetting the same as well... And the race director needs to forget the rules too as they let you onto the track... Amazed it doesnt happen in every GP to be honest... I am with him on this,do any of the riders get anything off the series sponsers if not am sure the world champion can take a hit and wear his own esp after he confirms his win in the last round ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: If next years gp’s get the”fresh” riders some posters on hear want because “it’s the same ones year by year” THEN you would see the weakest gp field ever for a whole gp year. Next year I would have in the current top 10 plus the SEC winner (possibly) Michelson as it stands, plus the 3 from GP challenge. The GP challenge May put Jan Kvech into next year GP…. that’s how the rules go, but IMO he is not GP quality….yet. It was a weak field because of the reserve situation, if everyone has to qualify, plus taking the reserves from the top non-qualifiers, then people can't complain about it being a weak field! ok they will complain, but we can reply with "they are there on merit". I would never comment Kim Nilsson isn't good enough to be there, as he qualified. Personally I don't care if it's the same 15 every year, or "fresh" riders in the GPs, I just want the best riders (ideally no wild cards) in the field, regardless of age / nationality / gender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Krzysztof Cegielski, former Poole Pirates rider draws attention on social media to one detail. Point 12, paragraph 3 of the regulations on competition in the Speedway Grand Prix lists offenses and the amounts of penalties.According to him, it is worth paying attention to the last sentence preceding the list of penalties. It reads as follows: "The international jury may sanction any persons breaking the rules as follows. The word "may", becomes crucial. So could the competition jury both punish Zmarzlik and "reduce" the penalty,. So far, no one has commented on whether such a severe punishment was necessary. There is no doubt, says Krzysztof Cegielski. – “The jury didn't have to do anything, it just could. They did it with a smile on their faces - comments the former rider on social media, pointing out the key word in the case, in his opinion, "may". If in fact Zmarzlik did not have to suffer such a high penalty ,then undoubtedly not all "important" people are clearly favorable to Polish speedway and, as it turns out, they do not remember the most important thing. For many years, Speedway Grand Prix has been generating the greatest profits from Polish speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 I wonder if the Zmarslik issue was from a higher level in Polish speedway. Prior to the Danish SGP the rider is 24 points clear, he could become Champion in Denmark. Now with only this event before the Toron SGP & the chance to crown the new Polish World Champion on home soil. How can it be manipulated to boost ticket sales for the final round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welwyn Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 21 hours ago, Colinspeedway said: You can debate whether the rule is correct or whether they should have done more to stop him competing in qualifying but once he did it, the only course of action was to disqualify him. Any other decision would have been pandering to Bartosz. (Yes, for the record, I think the punishment on that rule is completely misplaced. Should be a bigger fine but no DQ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, DazS said: thats my point you are getting a sponsor dictating who wins a world championship. surly the sponsor had the opportunity to say just fine him. but i think we should be able to see whats gone on here. So you think that a sponsor who has probably paid 10's of thousands of pounds will just say "that's fine by me". Pull the other one. What do you think will happen at the next GP....... I'll tell you what would happen..... it would happen again, and again. Then it's anarchy, it will be a free for all....... truly seen as a Micky Mouse sport. Can you imagine England playing a world cup football match, and the entre forward says I'm going to wear MY sponsors logo today. If you want speedway to be recognised as a world sport then it's got to be done professionally all As for you point "I think we should be able to see what's gone on here", I agree with you. In an earlier post I commented BZ did a simple mistake, took the wrong kevlars. Others have pointed out he knew what he was doing and giving publicity to HIS main sponsor. If that theory is proved the case I can see BZ being thrown out of the whole series for this year with no certainty of a place for next year. It's getting very interesting. Edited September 17, 2023 by OveFundinFan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, PolskiZuzel said: Krzysztof Cegielski, former Poole Pirates rider draws attention on social media to one detail. Point 12, paragraph 3 of the regulations on competition in the Speedway Grand Prix lists offenses and the amounts of penalties.According to him, it is worth paying attention to the last sentence preceding the list of penalties. It reads as follows: "The international jury may sanction any persons breaking the rules as follows. The word "may", becomes crucial. So could the competition jury both punish Zmarzlik and "reduce" the penalty,. So far, no one has commented on whether such a severe punishment was necessary. There is no doubt, says Krzysztof Cegielski. – “The jury didn't have to do anything, it just could. They did it with a smile on their faces - comments the former rider on social media, pointing out the key word in the case, in his opinion, "may". If in fact Zmarzlik did not have to suffer such a high penalty ,then undoubtedly not all "important" people are clearly favorable to Polish speedway and, as it turns out, they do not remember the most important thing. For many years, Speedway Grand Prix has been generating the greatest profits from Polish speedway. The jury didn't have to do anything ! That's the best he can come up with. What a good neighbour Krzysztof must be ... "I saw your house being burgled but I didn't phone the police or do anything 'because I didn't have to'" With him in your corner everything is fine with the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, PolskiZuzel said: Krzysztof Cegielski, former Poole Pirates rider draws attention on social media to one detail. Point 12, paragraph 3 of the regulations on competition in the Speedway Grand Prix lists offenses and the amounts of penalties.According to him, it is worth paying attention to the last sentence preceding the list of penalties. It reads as follows: "The international jury may sanction any persons breaking the rules as follows. The word "may", becomes crucial. So could the competition jury both punish Zmarzlik and "reduce" the penalty,. So far, no one has commented on whether such a severe punishment was necessary. There is no doubt, says Krzysztof Cegielski. – “The jury didn't have to do anything, it just could. They did it with a smile on their faces - comments the former rider on social media, pointing out the key word in the case, in his opinion, "may". If in fact Zmarzlik did not have to suffer such a high penalty ,then undoubtedly not all "important" people are clearly favorable to Polish speedway and, as it turns out, they do not remember the most important thing. For many years, Speedway Grand Prix has been generating the greatest profits from Polish speedway. Possibly the worst take I’ve ever seen on anything… ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, PolskiZuzel said: Krzysztof Cegielski, former Poole Pirates rider draws attention on social media to one detail. Point 12, paragraph 3 of the regulations on competition in the Speedway Grand Prix lists offenses and the amounts of penalties.According to him, it is worth paying attention to the last sentence preceding the list of penalties. It reads as follows: "The international jury may sanction any persons breaking the rules as follows. The word "may", becomes crucial. So could the competition jury both punish Zmarzlik and "reduce" the penalty,. So far, no one has commented on whether such a severe punishment was necessary. There is no doubt, says Krzysztof Cegielski. – “The jury didn't have to do anything, it just could. They did it with a smile on their faces - comments the former rider on social media, pointing out the key word in the case, in his opinion, "may". If in fact Zmarzlik did not have to suffer such a high penalty ,then undoubtedly not all "important" people are clearly favorable to Polish speedway and, as it turns out, they do not remember the most important thing. For many years, Speedway Grand Prix has been generating the greatest profits from Polish speedway. Imagine if they had just let it go, and stated that they decided to do so because the rule only says "may". A lot more of a corrupt looking decision than the one they made, which applied the rule as written. Besides, the rule said they may and they did. So where's the issue? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, Grachan said: Imagine if they had just let it go, and stated that they decided to do so because the rule only says "may". A lot more of a corrupt looking decision than the one they made, which applied the rule as written. Besides, the rule said they may and they did. So where's the issue? Exactly. The jury let it go…you can hear it now: ."Oh yes, just because it's Zmarzlik. Any other rider…etc.etc…." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: It was a weak field because of the reserve situation, if everyone has to qualify, plus taking the reserves from the top non-qualifiers, then people can't complain about it being a weak field! ok they will complain, but we can reply with "they are there on merit". I would never comment Kim Nilsson isn't good enough to be there, as he qualified. Personally I don't care if it's the same 15 every year, or "fresh" riders in the GPs, I just want the best riders (ideally no wild cards) in the field, regardless of age / nationality / gender. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 They "may take action"... And in this case they did... So perfectly acceptable... Did the punishment fit the crime? Maybe not .. But. Maybe it did if all riders are clear as to the expectations and the financial reasons behind it.... And, as it has never been an issue with anyone else, or anywhere else, all season, you would have to think they clearly do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Imagine if they had just let it go, and stated that they decided to do so because the rule only says "may". A lot more of a corrupt looking decision than the one they made, which applied the rule as written. And then plenty of people on here would be busy posting about how corrupt speedway is because, yet again, it can't follow it's own rules etc etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, mikebv said: And, as it has never been an issue with anyone else, or anywhere else Riders showing their own sponsors has been a perennial issue, especially when the GP's first started with the front fork covers... also domestically Craig Cook was binned off by Peterborough because there were issues about his bike cover not conforming to the rest of the teams covers. Though in that case he was replaced by Rohan Tungate... who also had a non conforming bike cover! Edited September 17, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted September 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Now that we know Doyle is ok are we allowed to call him out for yet more dangerous riding? He gets a free pass all the time. The boy along from me last night was going spare at Lindgren after the incident just assuming it was his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, JanAndersen said: Now that we know Doyle is ok are we allowed to call him out for yet more dangerous riding? He gets a free pass all the time. The boy along from me last night was going spare at Lindgren after the incident just assuming it was his fault. Doyle goes too far to many times for a rider of his ability.Lebadevs is just dangerous and out of control too many times for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Im all for hard racing but a number of times this year it’s just been out of control riding, Lebedevs clean bowling Basso last night when he was never going to get by was ridiculous, seems to be the same riders as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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