Fromafar Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, BluPanther said: Why was Holder spitting his dummy out, what was that all about ? Typical Holder,certainly nothing in the Final to complain about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Well having watched that I hope Zmarzlik goes through the card in the next round to give the fingers to the sponsors all good though a danish winner in Denmark speedway you could nt make it up lol Having watched that, I hope Zmarzlik loses the world title because he’s let the fans down this weekend. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 What happened with Madsen and Holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinspeedway Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 Good news from Doyle's Instagram that nothing is broken! Remarkable 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 Great to see a Dane win the Danish GP, its quite a rare occurrence. Good job from Fred did what he needed to do when he needed to do it... But That has to have been the weakest GP field in the history of the event... EVER! My take on Bartekgate... rules is rules but I don't like to see sporting penalties for non sporting infringements 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Having watched that, I hope Zmarzlik loses the world title because he’s let the fans down this weekend. Zmarzlik lets the fans down rubbish a stupid silly rule if it was that important someone would have had a word with him straight away not wait just before the meeting starts . He ll ride tomorrow in Poland where he earns more money a fine would have been enough.The fan s who turned up today short changed . Micky mouse speedway again shoots itself in the foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 thats my point you are getting a sponsor dictating who wins a world championship. surly the sponsor had the opportunity to say just fine him. but i think we should be able to see whats gone on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Zmarzlik lets the fans down rubbish a stupid silly rule if it was that important someone would have had a word with him straight away not wait just before the meeting starts . He ll ride tomorrow in Poland where he earns more money a fine would have been enough.The fan s who turned up today short changed . Micky mouse speedway again shoots itself in the foot. You call it a “silly rule”, but reality calls it a “legally binding contractual obligation”. You watch a rider every time he’s interviewed, picking a gate or standing on a podium; folding his arms to ensure his sleeve sponsor is visible, grabbing his branded cap to broadcast the logo or making sure the sponsored water bottle in his hand is clearly visible because it’s in his commercial contract, then try telling Zmarzlik deserved a slap on the wrist. Edited September 16, 2023 by TheWellBehavedWorrall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 its more than a slap on the wrist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, DazS said: thats my point you are getting a sponsor dictating who wins a world championship. surly the sponsor had the opportunity to say just fine him. but i think we should be able to see whats gone on here. The sponsor isn’t dictating who wins anything; Zmarzlik has single-handedly breached the contract which FIM/SGP signed. What was the main sponsor tonight, Infinite? Imagine what that organisation has paid to be the leading sponsor of an event attended by 14,000 fans and streamed live across the world. They’ve had to tender for this, so imagine the contract which is implemented; every single ‘t’ will be crossed and ‘i’ dotted. They’ll have lined-up their corporate guests in the hundreds. They’ve paid a fortune to FIM/SGP, so this is their night. Then, the word champion breaches the contract which was perfectly adhered to by fifteen others, plus the reserves or wild cards. The liquid damages the FIM/SGP will be hit with will be huge. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Zmarzlik did it on purpose. This is set-up perfectly for a title win on home soil, but he’s single-handedly let the fans down tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTD26 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: You call it a “silly rule”, but reality calls it a “legally binding contractual obligation”. You watch a rider every time he’s interviewed, picking a gate or standing on a podium; folding his arms to ensure his sleeve sponsor is visible, grabbing his branded cap to broadcast the logo or making sure the sponsored water bottle in his hand is clearly visible because it’s in his commercial contract, then try telling Zmarzlik deserved a slap on the wrist. Finally, somebody else who understands what it’s all about!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DazS said: its more than a slap on the wrist. No, I said “try telling me Zmarzlik deserved a slap on the wrists”. He didn’t, he deserved more which was what he got. Edited September 16, 2023 by TheWellBehavedWorrall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 Incredible that no one told him to not go out in those kevlars... So many must have known... Including him, his team and all the meeting officials, as all will be privvy to the rules, and any consequences.... All very strange... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) I understand that the rules insisted on disqualification in this instance, but there's a grey area. Say Lindgren had damaged his race suit in the crash with Doyle. He has his own suit in the van as a spare but he can't wear it. Do they prevent him from continuing in the meeting despite him being fit? No, they hand him a race jacket with his name and number on it to wear over the top, the same as those that are worn by the wildcard and track reserves at every meeting. Expect this one to be rewritten next year to just result in a massive fine. Edited September 16, 2023 by CB252 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 you dont find it strange he rides with all the right gear in all the other GPs then on this occasion he rides with something else. knowing he could could be thrown out. I'm not having it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 minute ago, DazS said: you dont find it strange he rides with all the right gear in all the other GPs then on this occasion he rides with something else. knowing he could could be thrown out. I'm not having it. I do find it strange, but that’s directed at Bartosz Zmarzlik and only him. As I’ve said, perhaps it’s intentional with a view to setting-up a title win, but that’s very risky and significantly insulting to the fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, DazS said: you dont find it strange he rides with all the right gear in all the other GPs then on this occasion he rides with something else. knowing he could could be thrown out. I'm not having it. I think you'll probably find that, with this being speedway, the riders were never briefed on it which is why the others all seemed to sympathise with his plight. Scrutineering will have to include full inspection of riding equipment going forwards to prevent a repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: I do find it strange, but that’s directed at Bartosz Zmarzlik and only him. As I’ve said, perhaps it’s intentional with a view to setting-up a title win, but that’s very risky and significantly insulting to the fans. i think they know the fans dont mind being insulted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) I don’t think a speedway rider, given their ability to remember to display their sleeve sponsors, branded water bottle or logo cap at the mere sight of a camera, require reminding of their contractual obligations. Edited September 16, 2023 by TheWellBehavedWorrall 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: As I’ve said, perhaps it’s intentional with a view to setting-up a title win, but that’s very risky and significantly insulting to the fans. I think it's more likely he's received a massive bung from Orlen rather than him wanting to win it in front of a half full Torun... if it was a deliberate action 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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