IainB Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: Im all for hard racing but a number of times this year it’s just been out of control riding, Lebedevs clean bowling Basso last night when he was never going to get by was ridiculous, seems to be the same riders as well. Maybe time for a penalty points system? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 minute ago, iainb said: Maybe time for a penalty points system? I was thinking this, an exclusion doesn’t seem to be enough and riders are just going to continue getting hurt. I know speedway is dangerous and injuries are part of the sport but it feels there has been a lot of desperate riding this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, JoeW436 said: I was thinking this, an exclusion doesn’t seem to be enough and riders are just going to continue getting hurt. I know speedway is dangerous and injuries are part of the sport but it feels there has been a lot of desperate riding this season. When you can be thrown out of a meeting for wearing the wrong suit it seems strange that there's no penalty for persistent safety offenders Edited September 18, 2023 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 IMO the Competition referee is culpable for allowing Smarslick to practice in the wrong leathers. ? Given the importance of sponsors , should the competition referee not check all riders machines and clothing for conformance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 on your way to work or the shops today in your car or mobility scooter, or what ever you have then get half an inch behind someone see how far you can get without hitting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Looking at the standard of rider that could get aWildcard next season, surely there has too be case for giving Emil and Artum wildcards.Two of the Worlds best sitting watching does nothing for the series. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted September 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Looking at the standard of rider that could get aWildcard next season, surely there has too be case for giving Emil and Artum wildcards.Two of the Worlds best sitting watching does nothing for the series. I think that unless they start riding under the flag of Poland then they’ll be on the sidelines for the foreseeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Not everyone is for Russian riders in the GPs, no matter who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Looking at the standard of rider that could get aWildcard next season, surely there has too be case for giving Emil and Artum wildcards.Two of the Worlds best sitting watching does nothing for the series. As it looks at the moment, still one GP to go, I would have the current top 10 back next year. Plus winner of SEC, currently leading is Mikkelson, plus the 3 from the GP Challenge of which Wozniak is already through, then possibly Kvech and a Pawlicki. That leaves 1 place....... possibly Rasmus Jensen, Lebedev, Kubera, even Anders Thomson who isn't too bad and mixes it (just injury took him out this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Not everyone is for Russian riders in the GPs, no matter who they are. But they would happily take for their Team it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: As it looks at the moment, still one GP to go, I would have the current top 10 back next year. Plus winner of SEC, currently leading is Mikkelson, plus the 3 from the GP Challenge of which Wozniak is already through, then possibly Kvech and a Pawlicki. That leaves 1 place....... possibly Rasmus Jensen, Lebedev, Kubera, even Anders Thomson who isn't too bad and mixes it (just injury took him out this year). Neither Pawlicki has been good enough to warrant a wildcard in my opinion, much stronger Polish prospects that deserve a pick ahead of them (Kubera, Kolodziej, etc.). I presume they'll want at least three Poles in the series, so one pick will definitely go to them, unless Dudek or Janowski get given another chance. It's extremely unlikely Przemyslaw Pawlicki will get a spot from the challenge as it'll require Doyle (unlikely), Vaculik (almost definitely) and Lambert (likely) all making top six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 Well this one is going to run and run. The revelation that disqualification wasn't mandatory, the fact that the referee deemed him good to go as he only inspected the back of the suit. The failure to punish any others in the past who had breached the rules (think Anders Thomsen in his underpants) No wonder one of the big wigs at Discovery and Phil Morris were seen scuffling in the car park. Common theme I'm seeing from Polish journalists is that they should be held accountable in some way. The series relies on Poland for any meaningful income and the vast majority of the series sponsors are Polish. Could be an interesting winter, with this and the return of the Russians up for discussion. Can't see many major Polish companies wanting to be associated with a series in which Russians are competing. Wouldn't be a great look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 28 minutes ago, CB252 said: Well this one is going to run and run. The revelation that disqualification wasn't mandatory, the fact that the referee deemed him good to go as he only inspected the back of the suit. The failure to punish any others in the past who had breached the rules (think Anders Thomsen in his underpants) No wonder one of the big wigs at Discovery and Phil Morris were seen scuffling in the car park. Common theme I'm seeing from Polish journalists is that they should be held accountable in some way. The series relies on Poland for any meaningful income and the vast majority of the series sponsors are Polish. Could be an interesting winter, with this and the return of the Russians up for discussion. Can't see many major Polish companies wanting to be associated with a series in which Russians are competing. Wouldn't be a great look. The ref and the FIM Jury must of been looking the other way. There is no way Anders THomsen is only rider to get away with no punishment, I wonder if anyone is closely examining past footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, eric i said: The ref and the FIM Jury must of been looking the other way. There is no way Anders THomsen is only rider to get away with no punishment, I wonder if anyone is closely examining past footage. As amusing as that is to watch riding around in celebration after the meeting is not an official session, you may as well throw them out for wearing shorts and a t-shirt between sessions 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 4 hours ago, iainb said: As amusing as that is to watch riding around in celebration after the meeting is not an official session, you may as well throw them out for wearing shorts and a t-shirt between sessions The rules state.........Riding number jackets not worn or suit/covers not conform to the contract or front cover not fixed on the bike during the TV interviews, draws, qualifying practice, opening ceremony, press conferences, racing, prize-giving ceremony and in the pits area. I believe the prize-giving ceremony includes the riders going round on the back of the cars/trucks showing their trophies to the crowd. The rules state.........'The riders placed first, second and third shall immediately, after the prize-giving ceremony, make themselves available for the official press conference.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) My memory, in Anders case, was that he was to change into clean kevlars in the pits prior to the podium presentation. But having removed the dirty ones found his clean kevlars had already been already taken out to the centre of the track by someone. He then went out on his bike in his undercrackers and suited up on the back of the podium. There may be variatiions on this. I don't think any of that spolied the series sponsors 'exposure'. Edited September 19, 2023 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 Good to see real trophies being presented, not some offcut pieces of plastic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Grand Central said: My memory, in Anders case, was that he was to change into clean kevlars in the pits prior to the podium presentation. But having removed the dirty ones found his clean kevlars had already been already taken out to the centre of the track by someone. He then went out on his bike in his undercrackers and suited up on the back of the podium. There may be variatiions on this. I don't think any of that spolied the series sponsors 'exposure'. nonsense, watch the video, same leathers went back on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, eric i said: nonsense, watch the video, same leathers went back on? I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 6:47 PM, chunky said: As I said, most sport today is controlled by TV and sponsors. It is a rule, an UNDERSTANDABLE rule, and all the riders know of the rule. I hadnt appreciated that the riders knew of the rule so Im setting on the reversing lights and admitting he has no complaint when it was given to him before the start of the series in black and white. I do think though now it has arisen, the rule has to be looked at for the sake for the sake of the sport. For a first offence and in practice only it should perhaps be a very heavy fine and relegated to last place in the qualifying. After that, well it would have to be what happened to Zmarslik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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