Poole "preparing" their starts

[lbw]

Could always go back to concrete starts 

[Cast1rn]

23 minutes ago, lbw said:

Could always go back to concrete starts 

Can't mess with them 

[Cast1rn]

24 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I think people just like too talk about Poole, that's why they make up all these nonsense threads

That's the problem with being successful, everyone wants a piece of that success. 

I don't even think it's the riders that people dislike, 1-7,  I think their outstanding riders and people.

 

 

[Ben91]

The track is always the same for both sets of riders. 

[Fromafar]

12 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

The track is always the same for both sets of riders. 

Exactly,  Mountain out of a Molehill.

[szkocjasid]

As long as the starts are the same for both teams, it's all fair. The only thing the ref should keep an eye on, is to make sure grading of the starts doesn't change heat to heat based on gate the teams are starting from.

[LisaColette]

9 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

As long as the starts are the same for both teams, it's all fair. The only thing the ref should keep an eye on, is to make sure grading of the starts doesn't change heat to heat based on gate the teams are starting from.

Basically what Eastbourne used to do then.

[Jaizer]

How is this even an issue? Teams set up tracks/ starts anything they can to suit their riders and gain a home track advantage. What next you going to give wolves Grief for the karlsson corridor? Nonsense 

[Bagpuss]

51 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

As long as the starts are the same for both teams, it's all fair. The only thing the ref should keep an eye on, is to make sure grading of the starts doesn't change heat to heat based on gate the teams are starting from.

Exactly this.

[torpointfanatic22]

5 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

Nothing to see. Move along 

Completely agree, if you're the home team if you want to rip up the start line, the bends, the straights whatever, it's up to you. As long as everyone gets a chance to have a look prior to racing starting it's fair enough.

I'm shocked all teams don't do it, I really am.

[Cast1rn]

19 minutes ago, torpointfanatic22 said:

Completely agree, if you're the home team if you want to rip up the start line, the bends, the straights whatever, it's up to you. As long as everyone gets a chance to have a look prior to racing starting it's fair enough.

I'm shocked all teams don't do it, I really am.

Which Is a wee bit why I wonder after the track walk, should the tractors etc be allowed back out, I'm sure it's been mentioned before it's time constraints.

[Cast1rn]

Why don't we have what the Poles do, I think it was 30 mins before tapes up, after the track walk. Two riders from each team get to go out and do a few laps then relay that information to the rest of the team. That way there's no surprises.

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, Cast1rn said:

Why don't we have what the Poles do, I think it was 30 mins before tapes up, after the track walk. Two riders from each team get to go out and do a few laps then relay that information to the rest of the team. That way there's no surprises.

Some tracks how limited time they are allowed "noise" from the bikes, have seen signs in the pits saying - no warming up of bikes before 19:00 etc.

[old bob at herne bay]

Thanks for all your comments .

So I read this article in the star which quoted Neil Middleditch  .... (otherwise I wouldnt have raised this thread at all )  suggesting that asks his track curator to doctor the starts to suit the home riders.

Seeing as the gate positions aren't known until the coin toss ... I just don't know how this can be done to elicit a home advantage  other than using the Eastbourne method of using a watering can.  Judging by the comments this is now widespread at all tracks, such is the importance in modern day speedway of "making the gate" . Only Poole have gone public courtesy of their TM.

Time then perhaps as is suggested that a uniform surface such as concrete is used at the starting gate

This  would...

Eliminate gate position advantage

Eliminate delays due to "gardening "

Seems a win win ??

 

[HGould]

36 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Thanks for all your comments .

So I read this article in the star which quoted Neil Middleditch  .... (otherwise I wouldnt have raised this thread at all )  suggesting that asks his track curator to doctor the starts to suit the home riders.

Seeing as the gate positions aren't known until the coin toss ... I just don't know how this can be done to elicit a home advantage  other than using the Eastbourne method of using a watering can.  Judging by the comments this is now widespread at all tracks, such is the importance in modern day speedway of "making the gate" . Only Poole have gone public courtesy of their TM.

Time then perhaps as is suggested that a uniform surface such as concrete is used at the starting gate

This  would...

Eliminate gate position advantage

Eliminate delays due to "gardening "

Seems a win win ??

 

Allegedly they dug up and banned  concrete starts as Charlie Dugard had an oil can at Arlington

[SteveLyric2]

39 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Thanks for all your comments .

So I read this article in the star which quoted Neil Middleditch  .... (otherwise I wouldnt have raised this thread at all )  suggesting that asks his track curator to doctor the starts to suit the home riders.

Seeing as the gate positions aren't known until the coin toss ... I just don't know how this can be done to elicit a home advantage  other than using the Eastbourne method of using a watering can.  Judging by the comments this is now widespread at all tracks, such is the importance in modern day speedway of "making the gate" . Only Poole have gone public courtesy of their TM.

Time then perhaps as is suggested that a uniform surface such as concrete is used at the starting gate

This  would...

Eliminate gate position advantage

Eliminate delays due to "gardening "

Seems a win win ??

 

That explains it, you're still living in the stone age!! If concrete was used the current tyres would be shredded by the first bend!!

[Hilly]

No problem with how home tracks prepare the circuit, part of the game.

One rule change I would like thou is any team 6 or more behind gets gate choice in each subsequent heat , only being able to use one tactical sub is a bit limiting.

[Wee Eck]

2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Thanks for all your comments .

So I read this article in the star which quoted Neil Middleditch  .... (otherwise I wouldnt have raised this thread at all )  suggesting that asks his track curator to doctor the starts to suit the home riders.

Seeing as the gate positions aren't known until the coin toss ... I just don't know how this can be done to elicit a home advantage  other than using the Eastbourne method of using a watering can.  Judging by the comments this is now widespread at all tracks, such is the importance in modern day speedway of "making the gate" . Only Poole have gone public courtesy of their TM.

Time then perhaps as is suggested that a uniform surface such as concrete is used at the starting gate

This  would...

Eliminate gate position advantage

Eliminate delays due to "gardening "

Seems a win win ??

 

I think you have got lost in your own argument, with your well known anti-Middlo feeling and by using provocative language. Most teams ask their track curator to prepare - not doctor - the starts to suit the home riders. Note, the starts, not the gates. In the same way, the whole track will be prepared - not doctored - to suit the home riders. 
There is surely nothing wrong in that? Indeed, it would be crazy to prepare the starts and the track in a way that didn’t suit the home riders. 

[Cast1rn]

20 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I think you have got lost in your own argument, with your well known anti-Middlo feeling and by using provocative language. Most teams ask their track curator to prepare - not doctor - the starts to suit the home riders. Note, the starts, not the gates. In the same way, the whole track will be prepared - not doctored - to suit the home riders. 
There is surely nothing wrong in that? Indeed, it would be crazy to prepare the starts and the track in a way that didn’t suit the home riders. 

So bearing in mind the Glasgow meeting was in July, what seems strange is that it took them 3 months to get the track suitable for there own home riders.

Also let's not belittle the OP by saying all tracks are the same and are done to advantage the home team, Poole have deliberately set up the starts so they appear one way but aren't actually as they seem.

Again I'll dig through the BSN Redcar meeting and get Danny Kings statement and hopeful we can put this BS to bed.

[LisaColette]

8 minutes ago, Cast1rn said:

So bearing in mind the Glasgow meeting was in July, what seems strange is that it took them 3 months to get the track suitable for there own home riders.

Also let's not belittle the OP by saying all tracks are the same and are done to advantage the home team, Poole have deliberately set up the starts so they appear one way but aren't actually as they seem.

Again I'll dig through the BSN Redcar meeting and get Danny Kings statement and hopeful we can put this BS to bed.

King spoke about it, was just a fly away comment like Lawson's the other day, last season on either a Pirate cast episode or the GB podcast. Can't remember exactly which one as listen/watch both fairly regularly. 

Edit - have a strange feeling it was after Glasgow visited then too lol

Edited July 23, 2023 by lisa-colette