GeneralMelchett Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, iainb said: Full marks to the Ipswich promotion in carrying out the remedial work to the track to get the meeting restarted again, and it looked as though the racing actually improved after the work for those riders that wanted to mix it. Listening to Adam Roynon on the BSN stream it's easy to see how some riders can talk themselves out of wanting to continue, he was doing this even from the commentary box and then when the racing restarted Keynan Rew immediately raced his way past Brady Kurtz. I hope the Sheffield promotion were watching last night on what to do after a rain shower and not just pull the plug and go home! Given I wtach most of my speedway at Foxhall - the weather is generally very good in summer there and its the first time in ages I have seen riders filled in and covered with shale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, kevin bass said: Riss needs replacing and should of been stood down wks ago, like been said his poor form puts more pressure on Rew and the reserves, would Batch fit for Riss, just asking I think Riss has lost his nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Feel for Riss because he's clearly not right but he's just trying to continue to earn himself some money, Has he always put his goggles on at the last second when sat at the tapes? As for the season the blame lies fully with the people who thought it was a good idea to put 150% faith in Danny King and Danyon Hume whilst chucking Keynan Rew in the deep end from the get go when the young lad had no experience on British tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, arnieg said: 2023 all official fixtures (exc bonus)) King is 11th making him not just the best third heat leader but a pretty decent second one. He has a better average than all the Wolves riders bar Masters. So based on actual points scored in real matches King is more than doing his job (and his average is up on last year) Where are these figures from? On the BSPA site using either the team declarations pages or the rider statistics pages King is nowhere near the best third rider. I'm also puzzled why you'd exclude bonus points. Edited July 14, 2023 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60sMonarch Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 What about replacing Eric Riss with Craig Cook - I remember when he scored an easy 15 point maximum for you against Belle Vue He has recently returned from being off with a bad back and on wednesday top scored for Edinburgh at Oxford eating both Scott Nicholls and Sam Masters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Where are these figures from? On the BSPA site using either the team declarations pages or the rider statistics pages King is nowhere near the best third rider. I'm also puzzled why you'd exclude bonus points. Cos bonus points mean naff all to team building,,, eg Riss last night got a bonus point for finishing third 50 yards behind his partner in a 3 man race,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come on the Skipper Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 50 minutes ago, 60sMonarch said: What about replacing Eric Riss with Craig Cook - I remember when he scored an easy 15 point maximum for you against Belle Vue He has recently returned from being off with a bad back and on wednesday top scored for Edinburgh at Oxford eating both Scott Nicholls and Sam Masters He's obviously hungry for success (I'll get my coat) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Cos bonus points mean naff all to team building,,, eg Riss last night got a bonus point for finishing third 50 yards behind his partner in a 3 man race,,, But I'd argue a second behind a team mate, meaning you beat both opposition riders is better than a second behind one of them. The original point was not about team building but his worth to Ipswich this season, keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, 60sMonarch said: What about replacing Eric Riss with Craig Cook - I remember when he scored an easy 15 point maximum for you against Belle Vue He has recently returned from being off with a bad back and on wednesday top scored for Edinburgh at Oxford eating both Scott Nicholls and Sam Masters Good idea - in reality anyone would be better at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 hours ago, arnieg said: 2023 all official fixtures (exc bonus)) King is 11th making him not just the best third heat leader but a pretty decent second one. Using 2023 all official fixtures (exc bonus) King is 15th in the averages.  Not the best 3rd heat leader - That is Jaimon Lidsey of Belle Vue.  But King is not too far behind Belle Vue's 4th best rider - Charles Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: But I'd argue a second behind a team mate, meaning you beat both opposition riders is better than a second behind one of them. The original point was not about team building but his worth to Ipswich this season, keep up. Some would say not a lot of worth,,, some would say he's done okay,,, last night his worth wasn't as good as it should have been given the track conditions,, he used to love a dodgy track blasting round the fence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Where are these figures from? On the BSPA site using either the team declarations pages or the rider statistics pages King is nowhere near the best third rider. I'm also puzzled why you'd exclude bonus points. http://www.gbspeedway.com/2023/averagelist.php?mc1=x&mc2=a&mc3=y&mc4=x&search=all&sort=average&meets=All&bp=not&hora=all&num=&league=A&oleague=A&mleague=A&above=&lower=&upper=&below= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: Using 2023 all official fixtures (exc bonus) King is 15th in the averages.  Not the best 3rd heat leader - That is Jaimon Lidsey of Belle Vue.  But King is not too far behind Belle Vue's 4th best rider - Charles Wright. No you have only included Premiership matches, King has also ridden in 3 Cup matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, arnieg said: No you have only included Premiership matches, King has also ridden in 3 Cup matches Whichever way anyone massages the stats, King was poor against BV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Good idea - in reality anyone would be better at the moment Cook had stated himself that he was disinclined to make long distance travel to ride at a loss earnings wise - no idea if that related to Ipswich, probably not - but it implies he has been approached by someone to ride for them in the PL at some point. Edited July 14, 2023 by GeneralMelchett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Whichever way anyone massages the stats, King was poor against BV. He had a good start 3,2 then after the rain couldn’t gate and seemed to lose ground badly getting 1,0 - if ever there was a meeting of two halves - that was it. He was twice beaten in 1-5s by Tom Brennan and his race partner - I am sure Danny would be the first to admit he should have been better placed in those races.  on a brighter note the wetter conditions really seemed to suit Dan Thompson and was great to see him get some points regardless of how you see his inclusion in the side! Edited July 14, 2023 by GeneralMelchett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: http://www.gbspeedway.com/2023/averagelist.php?mc1=x&mc2=a&mc3=y&mc4=x&search=all&sort=average&meets=All&bp=not&hora=all&num=&league=A&oleague=A&mleague=A&above=&lower=&upper=&below= But with bonus points it's a different story. Without, it simply penalises, when using them to compare, those riders who are a part of a good team. He's well down the pecking order then. He's cost Ipswich victories on more than one occasion this season, particularly those matches Ipswich were in the hunt of winning and, that stands out to fans. More to blame has been the failure of Riss, Barker and the rising star, where often a blank space would have done as well - not criticising Joe T here because he is nowhere near PL standard and that's firmly at Hawkins' door - look how much better Bailey looked last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-report-ipswich-44-46-belle-vue-sports-insure-premiership-r2-h/   interesting that it’s Louis & not Hawkins offering his thoughts on last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-report-ipswich-44-46-belle-vue-sports-insure-premiership-r2-h/   interesting that it’s Louis & not Hawkins offering his thoughts on last night. With 2 meetings in a week,,, he has probably used all his brain power up on Monday 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-report-ipswich-44-46-belle-vue-sports-insure-premiership-r2-h/   interesting that it’s Louis & not Hawkins offering his thoughts on last night. It just goes to show having the best 2 riders in the league doesnt guarantee you success...And at a price ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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