davieb1 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 King's Lynn Wolverhampton Peterborough all doubtful for next season Which leaves just 4 teams assuming they all run Who can bolster the Premier Or would they create a new league containing everyone Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, davieb1 said: King's Lynn Wolverhampton Peterborough all doubtful for next season Which leaves just 4 teams assuming they all run Who can bolster the Premier Or would they create a new league containing everyone Discuss With question marks over a few championship tracks, Edinburgh ( stadium issues ) Plymouth ( lack of a crowd ) Birmingham ( lack of a crowd and massive financial losses allegedly) and possibly one or two who haven’t gone public with their concerns, then the options are limited. Only Oxford making noises about moving ‘up’ but to what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Plans for next season will probably be a bit more snooker,,,, thanks for asking 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: With question marks over a few championship tracks, Edinburgh ( stadium issues ) Plymouth ( lack of a crowd ) Birmingham ( lack of a crowd and massive financial losses allegedly) and possibly one or two who haven’t gone public with their concerns, then the options are limited. Only Oxford making noises about moving ‘up’ but to what ? If it is to be one league then I cannot see the fixed race nights remaining. The standard is more likely to be closer to Championship-Plus level, which may well mean that the SGP- level riders will either be shared out or more likely will not feature due to costs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Poole to move back up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) FWIW, my thoughts... Race on fixed nights so many of the riders can race for every team in both leagues as and when needed.. Let Poland dictate at short notice whether riders can race over here, and plan in meetings on Thursdays in the top league so Poland can use those riders when they rearrange fixtures, meaning plenty of guest opportunities.. Use the TV money to pay for superstars rather than use it to market the sport, or reduce admission prices, in fact, increase the cost of admission by at least a quid to help pay these riders.. Set a team strength level that will ensure all teams are equal and see those teams who the speedway fanbase suggest "have no bloody chance", pre season, struggle throughout the season, and possibly close down before the season ends, or, at least, need a sabbatical to regroup.. Build all rules and regs with enough ambiguity and subjectivity to ensure that they are open to manipulation, which will hopefully then deliver the required level of astonishment and disillusionment in even its most loyal fanbase.. Possibly, most importantly, each promotion work in splendid isolation, rather than as a collective for the generic betterment of the sport which supersedes any individual ambition, as it really is important that your team wins the league because the operating model means it delivers such high reward and publicity... I think this could work, a bit radical, but worth a go surely? Edited July 11, 2023 by mikebv 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) I don't think I can face another thread about what needs to happen to British Speedway... it's all been said... Unless @davieb1 is Rob Godfrey in disguise I've noticed a lot of new accounts commenting on these topics all of a sudden. To play along... how about a countdown clock on the centre at all tracks Edited July 11, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieb1 Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't think I can face another thread about what needs to happen to British Speedway... it's all been said... Unless @davieb1 is Rob Godfrey in disguise I've noticed a lot of new accounts commenting on these topics all of a sudden. To play along... how about a countdown clock on the centre at all tracks I'm sorry but whose Rob Godfrey?? I've had this account for several years so I'm not a newbie but if you think I am this Rob Godfrey Then I'm happy for you ☺️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, mikebv said: FWIW, my thoughts... Race on fixed nights so many of the riders can race for every team in both leagues as and when needed.. Let Poland dictate at short notice whether riders can race over here, and plan in meetings on Thursdays in the top league so Poland can use those riders when they rearrange fixtures, meaning plenty of guest opportunities.. Use the TV money to pay for superstars rather than use it to market the sport, or reduce admission prices, in fact, increase the cost of admission by at least a quid to help pay these riders.. Set a team strength level that will ensure all teams are equal and see those teams who the speedway fanbase suggest "have no bloody chance", pre season, struggle throughout the season, and possibly close down before the season ends, or, at least, need a sabbatical to regroup.. Build all rules and regs with enough ambiguity and subjectivity to ensure that they are open to manipulation, which will hopefully then deliver the required level of astonishment and disillusionment in even its most loyal fanbase.. Possibly, most importantly, each promotion work in splendid isolation, rather than as a collective for the generic betterment of the sport which supersedes any individual ambition, as it really is important that your team wins the league because the operating model means it delivers such high reward and publicity... I think this could work, a bit radical, but worth a go surely? all ready been tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, DazS said: all ready been tried. Damn... Sure I was on to a winner.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 21 minutes ago, davieb1 said: I'm sorry but whose Rob Godfrey?? I've had this account for several years so I'm not a newbie but if you think I am this Rob Godfrey Then I'm happy for you ☺️ Ahh... to live in a world not knowing who Rob Godfrey is, I envy you, I really do 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Birmingham ( lack of a crowd and massive financial losses allegedly) Have you not heard the news? Birmingham are moving to the renovated Alexander stadium and are going to hold a Grand Prix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't think I can face another thread about what needs to happen to British Speedway... it's all been said... Unless @davieb1 is Rob Godfrey in disguise I've noticed a lot of new accounts commenting on these topics all of a sudden. To play along... how about a countdown clock on the centre at all tracks Please don't imply aliases and multi names are used on this forum as this could offend "King-Keir-Brasso-Polish-fan". I would hate his cover to be blown! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 I’d not worry about next season just yet it’s only July there is plenty of racing still to come this season - next season who knows but for some clubs just enjoy what’s left of this season as it could be some clubs last 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: If it is to be one league then I cannot see the fixed race nights remaining. The standard is more likely to be closer to Championship-Plus level, which may well mean that the SGP- level riders will either be shared out or more likely will not feature due to costs! I think those riders would have to be let go, the only fair way you could do it would be for everyone to have one but we all know it would end up extremely lop sided like 1995/96 with the haves and have nots. The sport would need to reinvent itself with strict points money and ideally a lower admission to get new people in. Almost burning it to the ground to let it regrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 2024 Premier(shi*) League: * Four teams * Fixed Monday night racing (avoids Polish clashes) * All four teams to race home fixtures that night. Away teams to be made up of Championship double uppers. * Chris Harris to appear at least once for each team. " A, B, C, D, E fixtures ensures a plausible 30 match league structure. * Knock out Cup to give credibility. * Play Offs & Pairs to be retained. Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Stop talking about superstars…. Superstars in speedway mean nothing to the general public. Sayfudinov… Laguta … Doyle …. Bewley. … Pedersen ( ok, for about 200m) We’ve been told for years that this is the solution …. guess what ? They’ve been here this year and it’s made sod all difference spend the money paying professionals to try and drag this dying sport into the 21st century 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 At what point do Discovery Sports intervene? Or in Lambert and Bewley do they have enough British interest for the duration of their tenure? From their perspective having British involvement in SGP, SON/SWC must be an important market to maintain. Much harder to do without a British supply chain/valid domestic league. They also need content for their streaming/cable channel, Personally I think a Euro League (16 teams 4TT format) where each team has five home and 15 away fixtures. If there were three British teams (North (Belle Vue) Midlands (?) and South (Poole)) there'd be only 15 gp standard meetings in the UK. That gives you space to market these events properly. Less is more so hopefully these events will attract bumper crowds. Which makes for a better spectacle which hopefully attracts a bigger audience. Below that the twelve or so last clubs standing form a sustainable league without the gp stars which provides a career path for young British talent to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 hours ago, mikebv said: FWIW, my thoughts... Race on fixed nights so many of the riders can race for every team in both leagues as and when needed.. Let Poland dictate at short notice whether riders can race over here, and plan in meetings on Thursdays in the top league so Poland can use those riders when they rearrange fixtures, meaning plenty of guest opportunities.. Use the TV money to pay for superstars rather than use it to market the sport, or reduce admission prices, in fact, increase the cost of admission by at least a quid to help pay these riders.. Set a team strength level that will ensure all teams are equal and see those teams who the speedway fanbase suggest "have no bloody chance", pre season, struggle throughout the season, and possibly close down before the season ends, or, at least, need a sabbatical to regroup.. Build all rules and regs with enough ambiguity and subjectivity to ensure that they are open to manipulation, which will hopefully then deliver the required level of astonishment and disillusionment in even its most loyal fanbase.. Possibly, most importantly, each promotion work in splendid isolation, rather than as a collective for the generic betterment of the sport which supersedes any individual ambition, as it really is important that your team wins the league because the operating model means it delivers such high reward and publicity... I think this could work, a bit radical, but worth a go surely? So the same rules as this year then lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Lefty said: 2024 Premier(shi*) League: * Four teams * Fixed Monday night racing (avoids Polish clashes) * All four teams to race home fixtures that night. Away teams to be made up of Championship double uppers. * Chris Harris to appear at least once for each team. " A, B, C, D, E fixtures ensures a plausible 30 match league structure. * Knock out Cup to give credibility. * Play Offs & Pairs to be retained. Simples Top 4 qualify for the play-offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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