RoundTheBoards Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, arnieg said: 30 Sept 2022 Nathan Ablitt absent at Armadale. Belle Vue have to track one rider in 3 races 10 June 2023 Ashton Boughen absents himself from Workington. Leicester have to track one rider in three races. Nick Morris tonight gets REPLACED four times. ...... can anybody explain the difference? As most fans know, if a rider is out injured or ill a facility is allowed. A doctor's note then has to be provided to the SCB within 48 hours of the meeting. In the case of a non-speedway injury/illness, the rider is then banned for 7 days. In the cases above of Ablitt and Boughen not turning up to ride, there is no facility. The clubs can use a "no-facility" rider in the place. (in the case of Ablitt and Boughen this is an unattached 3.00 rider). But if no suitable rider is available, the non-existent rider still has to take 3 rides. The only time I know of when reserves and TS can replace someone is if they have been excluded from the meeting by the referee. This may be for failing (or refusing) a drugs or alcohol test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Petecc Posted July 12, 2023 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 When the truth and all explanations are given, spare a thought for the consortium , the fans, the volunteer track staff other rides and all others who give up their time to Birmingham speedway who feel let down right now. Everyone putting on a brave face when they feel like they have kicked in the guts again. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbi Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, IanBrannan said: We’ll wait for further info on what’s happened, but if that is the case then that is the course of action in the rule book. We all know there will be more to come, be it a prescription or otherwise, but at least for once there is continuity in how the situation with Plymouth (last year) & Birmingham were dealt with and that is an anomaly in itself in speedway. As always it is the club and the fans that have been let down and I feel for both same as the situation last year. Many will forget the positive changes, new management etc and will focus on the negative. Birmingham did not deserve this when the survival of the team is in such a precarious situation. Just as the Glasgow fans have been let down having travelled down expecting to see a competitive meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Debbi said: We all know there will be more to come, be it a prescription or otherwise, but at least for once there is continuity in how the situation with Plymouth (last year) & Birmingham were dealt with and that is an anomaly in itself in speedway. As always it is the club and the fans that have been let down and I feel for both same as the situation last year. Many will forget the positive changes, new management etc and will focus on the negative. Birmingham did not deserve this when the survival of the team is in such a precarious situation. Just as the Glasgow fans have been let down having travelled down expecting to see a competitive meeting. It's of no concern as to what has been or will be found in the sample taken. The rider refused to take a second test so is guilty by failing to comply with any/all of the process the result is he will be deemed to have provided a positive sample & should receive the maximum penalty (2 year ban) the same as Steve Boxall in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Gazc said: I am sure the SCB will give a full explanation as to what transpired it’s the least the Birmingham fans deserve. You really have to feel for the Brum promoters as they seem to be getting a kicking at every turn through no fault off their own. We will probably get a statement from the SCB that will be the version of events they want us to believe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 Very disappointing last night....BUT....some of the best racing I've seen down there in a long time. Harris/Vissing/Complin/Bowtell saved the day! Sedgemen poor yet again!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) So we are now 100% clear Either A] the ref applied the rules wrong or B] Morris failed/refused a drugs test Edited July 13, 2023 by arnieg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, arnieg said: So we are now 100% clear Either A] the ref applied the rules wrong or B] Morris failed/refused a drugs test Until Dickson or Brum say anything, we not going to know for sure. Out of interest who was the ref? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, arnieg said: So we are now 100% clear Either A] the ref applied the rules wrong or B] Morris failed/refused a drugs test It wasn't A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Until Dickson or Brum say anything, we not going to know for sure. Out of interest who was the ref? Neither A or B are in the purview of Stewart Dickson. In both cases it is the SCB who will give authoratative statements on the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Out of interest who was the ref? Pablo Escobar Edited July 13, 2023 by iainb 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packerman Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 29 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Out of interest who was the ref? According to the Speedway Updates site it was Matthew Ware 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Until Dickson or Brum say anything, we not going to know for sure. Out of interest who was the ref? According to updates it was Matthew Ware, not a name I am familiar with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, heathen52 said: According to updates it was Matthew Ware, not a name I am familiar with. Probably because his name is Matthew WEAR !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbi Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Technik said: It's of no concern as to what has been or will be found in the sample taken. The rider refused to take a second test so is guilty by failing to comply with any/all of the process the result is he will be deemed to have provided a positive sample & should receive the maximum penalty (2 year ban) the same as Steve Boxall in the past I wasn’t aware he had failed to give a second sample and just to make it clear I am not defending him at all - just waiting for the excuses. I have absolutely no respect for any rider that gets on a bike under the influence, they are not only putting themselves and other riders at risk they are also risking the safety of everyone (marshalls/medics etc.) on the centre green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, heathen52 said: According to updates it was Matthew Ware, not a name I am familiar with. No, me either. I was just wondering if it was one of the more established ones such as Durno or Turnball? But I guess either or both could have been at Oxford or Poole last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 I think when a rider gives a test that is inconclusive they are invited to give a second sample, they can refuse but this will be recorded and they will be deemed to have refused the test resulting them being removed from the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Lion Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: No, me either. I was just wondering if it was one of the more established ones such as Durno or Turnball? But I guess either or both could have been at Oxford or Poole last night. It makes no difference who the referee was. The random drugs tests are carried out by different people & sometimes even the referee is unaware that the drugs testers are attending the meeting they are due to referee. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 32 minutes ago, Debbi said: I wasn’t aware he had failed to give a second sample and just to make it clear I am not defending him at all - just waiting for the excuses. I have absolutely no respect for any rider that gets on a bike under the influence, they are not only putting themselves and other riders at risk they are also risking the safety of everyone (marshalls/medics etc.) on the centre green. And sadly the ruling bodies to forget all to easily certain riders past misdemeanours and still treat them like heros rather than cheats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 44 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: No, me either. I was just wondering if it was one of the more established ones such as Durno or Turnball? But I guess either or both could have been at Oxford or Poole last night. David Watters at Oxford and Simon Smith at Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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