Workington v Leicester 08/07/2023 3pm ko cup 1st leg

[Sings4Speedway]

6 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Good racing today esp from young ace,we were never going to win but ref didnt help young boughen puts the bike down twice and gets put back in,ace lucky not to be put out but then gets taking wide in next race makes a good hard but fair pass and is excluded.changes need to be made to get bickley in the team we need a heat leader !

Would take big / unpopular changes to fit Bickley into the side. Double change and having to fit back under the 42 limit. Not run numbers but would need to be Sam, Ace or Luke out with Crang to accommodate Bickley and a 3 pointer.  

[geoff100]

Sam and harry not work??

[Marksman]

24 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Sam and harry not work?

Changes are pretty impossible at this stage because the team total comes to 45.91 and with 2 changes it would have to fit back under the 42 limit.

I.E dropping the McGurk’s (7.83 + 3.00) would only leave 6.92 for two riders!

For context, it’s impossible to fit Bickley in with any combination other than Bailey plus Elliot Kelly or higher

[SteelShoe]

34 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Good racing today esp from young ace,we were never going to win but ref didnt help young boughen puts the bike down twice and gets put back in,ace lucky not to be put out but then gets taking wide in next race makes a good hard but fair pass and is excluded.changes need to be made to get bickley in the team we need a heat leader !

Speedway is about team strength  4 points from 9 reserve rides speaks for itself.

Not surprisingly in our first season back established strong teams are a big challenge for us.

Leicester were strong right through, they generally outgated the Comets and looked faster on track. 

Agree with what has already been stated it was pretty poor form booing young Sam Hagon who was a great guest for the Lion Cubs.

The rainfall radar was bang on with the 16:45 rain forecast.

When sitting in the back straight stand the quality and volume of the PA was not great. Struggled to hear most of Roy's announcements and interviews. Could be related to the stand height relative to speaker position ?.

Some good racing again but a hard day at the office for the Comets. Ace Pijper finally gave the home fans something to cheer with his battling win from behind in heat 11 against Ashton Boughen and Dan Thomson at the 4th time of asking. Personally i thought Ashton should have been excluded in the first running as he came down on his own.

 

[SteelShoe]

9 hours ago, Neila said:

Who can take r/r rides? Bount to score more than Mr crang has thes last few weeks!!

3 from 4 Neil 

[DJC]

What sort of average is going Boughen running so far this year? 
 

 

outside for the faf the official ones show? 

[scaramanga]

totally agree about heat 11 

leicester allready had the meeting won 

but call it tac foul or outright cheating 

Boughan lucky in first run to get back in 

then in the third attempt he was so far behind he had enpough room to cut back  clearly bailed out both attempts to get a rerun 

earlier luke harrison had a bigger moment when the door was closed as he was about to go up middle of the 2 Leicester riders but he shout off  just like the cheating duo should have done in heat 11 

then when it finally went distance boughan tried to take ace out to fence after the finish lin and started having a go on way to pits 

 

comets way out gated for the 2nd meeting in a row 

[Woke23]

I agree with a few things that's been said. 

The abuse from the fans, especially to a young lad is unacceptable. Yes, that decision was piss poor but that isn't the riders fault. 

Boughen should've been excluded, if not the first time, definitely the second time when he fell in the exact same place.

The difference was our lower point riders. Harry and elliot aren't good enough. 4 points over 11 heats between them is poor.

Although I think crangy needs to do better, it would've been a lot closer today with him riding.

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by WokJoWe

[scaramanga]

1 hour ago, geoff100 said:

Sam and harry not work??

sam trys hard id not drop him 

 

[Woke23]

1 minute ago, scaramanga said:

sam trys hard id not drop him 

 

Sam is a good rider. Inconsistent but he's young and has something about him. I dont know how it'd sit if you get rid of his brother though

[scaramanga]

2 minutes ago, WokJoWe said:

I agree with a few things that's been said. 

The abuse from the fans, especially to a young lad is unacceptable. Yes, that decision was piss poor but that isn't the riders fault. 

Boughen should've been excluded, if not the first time, definitely the second time when he fell in the exact same place.

The difference was our lower point riders. Harry and elliot aren't good enough. 4 points over 11 heats between them is poor.

 

 

kelly has had some good rides 

harry has shown what he can do but there seams to be some sort of issues going on either he does not want to race or he has a confidence issue 

cant expect low averaged reserves to score double figures all the time 

harrison and kelly for me look to have the making of good riders in them

[Woke23]

1 minute ago, scaramanga said:

kelly has had some good rides 

harry has shown what he can do but there seams to be some sort of issues going on either he does not want to race or he has a confidence issue 

cant expect low averaged reserves to score double figures all the time 

harrison and kelly for me look to have the making of good riders in them

I had a look into harry because at the start of the season he was off 7. I believe he had a crash last season so would explain his confidence issues.

You can tell its confidence as he's a decent rider when he gets ahead on the first bend but when he's behind he just doesn't fight for it.

I've watched a few highlights off him from last couple year and he's miles better.

[Midget]

5 minutes ago, WokJoWe said:

I had a look into harry because at the start of the season he was off 7. I believe he had a crash last season so would explain his confidence issues.

You can tell its confidence as he's a decent rider when he gets ahead on the first bend but when he's behind he just doesn't fight for it.

I've watched a few highlights off him from last couple year and he's miles better.

Thats where our problem is, we should of replaced harry when he was on a 7 point average, he wasn't even on the pace, now he's down to 3 point ave there is no scope to replace him. 

[Neila]

Can only go by what I read on updates, but comets beaten by a better team. When you have a 15 year old at no 2 scoring like a heat leader, and a reserve who can score a bag full of points. It's game over. Onwards and upwards, but I can't see who, if any riders are available to change the team with, let's enjoy the rest of the season watching the comets at the fantastic Northside areana, 

[Justgotmecpc]

3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Would take big / unpopular changes to fit Bickley into the side. Double change and having to fit back under the 42 limit. Not run numbers but would need to be Sam, Ace or Luke out with Crang to accommodate Bickley and a 3 pointer.  

Ace ?? Are you mental... The kids going places & he's 1 of the best prospects that our country ( speedway ) wise will produce as he's got a great family behind him not to mention management & sponsors 

[Sings4Speedway]

27 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Ace ?? Are you mental... The kids going places & he's 1 of the best prospects that our country ( speedway ) wise will produce as he's got a great family behind him not to mention management & sponsors 

Was never seriously suggesting the change just stating that to fit Bickley in it would mean taking out another heat leader and frankly that would be daft. 

Team was built to always have a strong reserve but Harrys drop in form/ability has cost the Comets dearly. Big deficit in the cup and play offs a big ask but being up, running and competitive is a success for the first season back. 

[Midget]

38 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Was never seriously suggesting the change just stating that to fit Bickley in it would mean taking out another heat leader and frankly that would be daft. 

Team was built to always have a strong reserve but Harrys drop in form/ability has cost the Comets dearly. Big deficit in the cup and play offs a big ask but being up, running and competitive is a success for the first season back. 

I can't understand why anyone would want bickley in? He's retired for a reason. He is never going to make it as a speedway rider. 

[szkocjasid]

41 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Was never seriously suggesting the change just stating that to fit Bickley in it would mean taking out another heat leader and frankly that would be daft. 

Team was built to always have a strong reserve but Harrys drop in form/ability has cost the Comets dearly. Big deficit in the cup and play offs a big ask but being up, running and competitive is a success for the first season back. 

Comets have to take some of the blame for not replacing Harry when he was on a higher average, could even have kept Dugard when Harrison came back in.

Of course their policy may have been - everyone is in the team for the season regardless of form - if so credit to them for that attitude, but it does mean less chance of titles.

Edited July 8, 2023 by szkocjasid

[szkocjasid]

3 hours ago, WokJoWe said:

Sam is a good rider. Inconsistent but he's young and has something about him. I don't know how it'd sit if you get rid of his brother though

You wouldn't last long in Speedway of you got upset at a friend / family member getting dropped, especially one who's dropped 4 points from his average. That being said I can't see Harry getting dropped now he's on a 3.00 average.

[szkocjasid]

4 hours ago, geoff100 said:

Good racing today esp from young ace,we were never going to win but ref didnt help young boughen puts the bike down twice and gets put back in,ace lucky not to be put out but then gets taking wide in next race makes a good hard but fair pass and is excluded. changes need to be made to get bickley in the team we need a heat leader!

Don't see any chance that will happen, even if Bickley wanted to sign, I wouldn't go for him because the team would have to be nearly 4 points weaker than they currently are!