Steve Shovlar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Fromafar said: That’s their prerogative,it depends on how much it costs to set up and manage though.It’s not that straightforward. It really is that straight forward. You can buy all you need taylor made setups that need very little tinkering. You do need camera operators, a person to operate the desk, and a couple of commentators. Redcar do it on a budget and it pays for them. Think they only have a 2 or 3 camera setup and one is unmanned. In fact, a one camera setup with commentary is all that is needed for a basic stream. It doesn’t have to be at the same standard as BSN. The guys that do Poole and Plymouth would certainly advise to what is required. Let’s be honest we all want the sport to prosper regardless of rivalries. Every club should offer a streaming service. It doesn’t affect attendances and brings in bonus revenue. To refuse the service is poor business acumen. Just take next Sunday as an example. Plenty of speedway fans would be interested in watching Glasgow v Poole. Say 150 Poole fans signed up for the stream, plus another 100 fans from other clubs. 250 paying 11.99 = £2997.50. Edited July 22, 2023 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: It really is that straight forward. You can buy all you need taylor made setups that need very little tinkering. You do need camera operators, a person to operate the desk, and a couple of commentators. Redcar do it on a budget and it pays for them. Think they only have a 2 or 3 camera setup and one is unmanned. In fact, a one camera setup with commentary is all that is needed for a basic stream. It doesn’t have to be at the same standard as BSN. The guys that do Poole and Plymouth would certainly advise to what is required. Let’s be honest we all want the sport to prosper regardless of rivalries. Every club should offer a streaming service. It doesn’t affect attendances and brings in bonus revenue. To refuse the service is poor business acumen. Just take next Sunday as an example. Plenty of speedway fans would be interested in watching Glasgow v Poole. Say 150 Poole fans signed up for the stream, plus another 100 fans from other clubs. 250 paying 11.99 = £2997.50. You seem to be the expert.I’ll leave it at that. ps The Facenna’s are successful business men,so I’m sure they have their reasons for not streaming. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, daz9100 said: Apparently it was only by one-thousandth of a second. So couldn’t have been much closer. So what is the margin for calling a dead-heat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, cinderfella said: So what is the margin for calling a dead-heat? None.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, cinderfella said: So what is the margin for calling a dead-heat? My thoughts were that the transponders are on the handlebars, the tyre is what 6 inches in front of the handlebar? Should a margin of error be put in since they are not using the first part of the bike over the line? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, cinderfella said: So what is the margin for calling a dead-heat? a super heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 There shouldn’t be a dead heat with transponders. You can go hundredths of a second, then thousands of a second to separate the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: It really is that straight forward. You can buy all you need taylor made setups that need very little tinkering. You do need camera operators, a person to operate the desk, and a couple of commentators. Redcar do it on a budget and it pays for them. Think they only have a 2 or 3 camera setup and one is unmanned. In fact, a one camera setup with commentary is all that is needed for a basic stream. It doesn’t have to be at the same standard as BSN. The guys that do Poole and Plymouth would certainly advise to what is required. Let’s be honest we all want the sport to prosper regardless of rivalries. Every club should offer a streaming service. It doesn’t affect attendances and brings in bonus revenue. To refuse the service is poor business acumen. Just take next Sunday as an example. Plenty of speedway fans would be interested in watching Glasgow v Poole. Say 150 Poole fans signed up for the stream, plus another 100 fans from other clubs. 250 paying 11.99 = £2997.50. I’m sure the Facennas will be taking heid of your expert advice as I assume it’s by listening to people like you that they’ve made their multi millions……..lol. You really do come across as a know all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ragdoll64 said: I’m sure the Facennas will be taking heid of your expert advice as I assume it’s by listening to people like you that they’ve made their multi millions……..lol. You really do come across as a know all. I know about this. True I don’t sell cars like the Facennas, but they are not skilled in my area of business either. Clearly they are raking it in at Glasgow Speedway not to worry bout a trifling few thousand quid extra a week that a stream could generate. Edited July 22, 2023 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: It really is that straight forward. You can buy all you need taylor made setups that need very little tinkering. You do need camera operators, a person to operate the desk, and a couple of commentators. Redcar do it on a budget and it pays for them. Think they only have a 2 or 3 camera setup and one is unmanned. In fact, a one camera setup with commentary is all that is needed for a basic stream. It doesn’t have to be at the same standard as BSN. The guys that do Poole and Plymouth would certainly advise to what is required. Let’s be honest we all want the sport to prosper regardless of rivalries. Every club should offer a streaming service. It doesn’t affect attendances and brings in bonus revenue. To refuse the service is poor business acumen. Just take next Sunday as an example. Plenty of speedway fans would be interested in watching Glasgow v Poole. Say 150 Poole fans signed up for the stream, plus another 100 fans from other clubs. 250 paying 11.99 = £2997.50. Without knowing how much streaming costs & how many people sign up each week, you can't guarantee they'll make a profit. You would assume it's worth the effort as otherwise other clubs wouldn't stream. It could make a difference to the attendance though, perhaps not by much, but people travelling far or especially in bad weather some may stay at home & stream instead of attending (costly if it's families). While I'd assume it's worth streaming, at the end of the day it's their business, they don't HAVE to stream just because everyone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Steve Shoveler makes a good point - in the case of Glasgow Tiggers ... doubt that they get much away support being so far distant from other clubs - only Edinburgh being "close" about 40 odd miles. Does it affect their home attendance on a dodgy weather day ? If you generate say 100 stream customers every week there must be a small profit after you have paid for the hosting service and the commentator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Do people forget Glasgow were the first (one of the first) to provide a streaming service so will know exactly what potential audience they have for it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, old bob at herne bay said: Steve Shoveler makes a good point - in the case of Glasgow Tiggers ... doubt that they get much away support being so far distant from other clubs - only Edinburgh being "close" about 40 odd miles. Does it affect their home attendance on a dodgy weather day ? If you generate say 100 stream customers every week there must be a small profit after you have paid for the hosting service and the commentator. They did a couple of seasons ago,obviously they didn’t think it was viable to keep it going in the form they were doing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 5 hours ago, daz9100 said: Apparently it was only by one-thousandth of a second. So couldn’t have been much closer. It was 19 thousandths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Without knowing how much streaming costs & how many people sign up each week, you can't guarantee they'll make a profit. You would assume it's worth the effort as otherwise other clubs wouldn't stream. It could make a difference to the attendance though, perhaps not by much, but people travelling far or especially in bad weather some may stay at home & stream instead of attending (costly if it's families). While I'd assume it's worth streaming, at the end of the day it's their business, they don't HAVE to stream just because everyone else does. Fair points. But Plymouth seem to think it worthwhile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Do people forget Glasgow were the first (one of the first) to provide a streaming service so will know exactly what potential audience they have for it!! I thought Edinburgh were the pioneers of streaming. That's certainly what the BSN guys have said when asked how/why they started. Are Glasgow now the only Championship side NOT offering a stream? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Just now, Skidder1 said: I thought Edinburgh were the pioneers of streaming. That's certainly what the BSN guys have said when asked how/why they started. Are Glasgow now the only Championship side NOT offering a stream? Glasgow did it from the start of the 2021 season post COVID. Same time as Edinburgh but I think our meeting Vs Kent was before Edinburgh had a meeting (could be wrong and no doubt be put in my place if I am lol). Full season was streamed through a 3rd party QTV. While yes absolutely more expensive they know exactly what the audience is and what effect have on attendances and have decided not to have it. Us and Oxford I thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnybegood Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Fair points. But Plymouth seem to think it worthwhile. I think Plymouth stream their meetings so they do not have to put up with pirate blue on the terraces .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I thought Edinburgh were the pioneers of streaming. That's certainly what the BSN guys have said when asked how/why they started. Are Glasgow now the only Championship side NOT offering a stream? Don’t think Oxford stream. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Glasgow did it from the start of the 2021 season post COVID. Same time as Edinburgh but I think our meeting Vs Kent was before Edinburgh had a meeting (could be wrong and no doubt be put in my place if I am lol). Full season was streamed through a 3rd party QTV. While yes absolutely more expensive they know exactly what the audience is and what effect have on attendances and have decided not to have it. Us and Oxford I thought? Arguably the two best supported (in terms of attendance) teams in the league. Coincidence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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