TheSmiler Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. Which would leave the likes of Sedgmen, Howarth and Toft as number ones next season. Grim, but plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 44 minutes ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. But Tai's coming back next year .... .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. Probably a lot of sense in that!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toady Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. I Never thought I would say it but have been pleasantly surprised with the std of racing in the championship and find I don’t miss the smattering of top stars so if it means speedway here survives without them so be it. However I would prefer there to be one league rather than a divide 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. Which what they should have done several years ago.. Cut their cloth accordingly... Gone are the days of any riders bringing in an extra 1000 by their appearance.. They tried to desperately cling on to massage their own egos with GP riders, whilst crowds got sick of watching Mickey Mouse competitions which were ran that way to cover the often missing stars... Post covid was a "free hit" where any standard would have delivered decent attendance's from speedway starved fans.. They had over a year to plan a "new dawn"... They didn't bother.. Let's hope whatever structure they put out has plenty of doubling and trebling up, and guest riders to keep us all enthralled, and by using that so successful operating model, it brings back the many thousands who still watch Speedway but no longer attend.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Which what they should have done several years ago.. Cut their cloth accordingly... Gone are the days of any riders bringing in an extra 1000 by their appearance.. They tried to desperately cling on to massage their own egos with GP riders, whilst crowds got sick of watching Mickey Mouse competitions which were ran that way to cover the often missing stars... Post covid was a "free hit" where any standard would have delivered decent attendance's from speedway starved fans.. They had over a year to plan a "new dawn"... They didn't bother.. Let's hope whatever structure they put out has plenty of doubling and trebling up, and guest riders to keep us all enthralled, and by using that so successful operating model, it brings back the many thousands who still watch Speedway but no longer attend.. They did bother, they brought in the "rising star" system, it was part of the FIVE year plan which the Championship dropped after ONE year! Edited July 27, 2023 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 6 hours ago, TheSmiler said: This will be the last year of the “Premiership” at least as we know it. Id advise everyone to make the most of seeing the following riders the next few weeks as it will likely be their last appearances in British League: Dan Bewley Brady Kurtz Jaimon Lidsey Emil Sayfutdinov Jason Doyle Max Fricke Artem Laguta Vadim Tarasenko Jack Holder Tobiasz Musielak I would be very surprised to see anything other than Championship standard teams. Older riders on their way down, British riders and upcoming youngsters seem to be the way forward. Perhaps a north and south divide with a play-off system between both. Not sure you need a North / South divide. Even if most of the clubs return, they should be able to fit in all the fixtures (weather permitting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure you need a North / South divide. Even if most of the clubs return, they should be able to fit in all the fixtures (weather permitting) Ah but. If you have a North / South divide, riders can still double up. Sorry, I'll get my coat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 hours ago, KevtheRev said: Terrestrial TV is not the answer. Young people these days are moving away from it and going doing the streaming and Apps for watching shows. Apart from some of the GP's, with well prepared tracks, Speedway never comes across that well anyway. Want to reach a big audience? Livestream on YouTube is the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 hours ago, truthsayer said: Want to reach a big audience? Livestream on YouTube is the answer. You would think it's the answer but it's clearly not working currently. Official British Speedway viewing numbers for single race heats is appalling at around 1.5k. One of the biggest indicators that Speedway doesn't attract the masses is the SGP Channel. Only averaging 3k views, that's world championship speedway. Someone uploaded the recent Belle Vue vs Ipswich meeting, 14k views. The global audience are not interested in Speedway as a whole. For context, the Women's World Cup highlights are are regularly 50k+. Live British Speedway on Youtube will be catastrophic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midlandred Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: One of the biggest indicators that Speedway doesn't attract the masses is the SGP Channel. Only averaging 3k views, that's world championship speedway. Just imagine what the figure might be for a PROPER World Championship Final, like there used to be before this wretched GP series (OOFC) was dumped on us. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, midlandred said: Just imagine what the figure might be for a PROPER World Championship Final, like there used to be before this wretched GP series (OOFC) was dumped on us. I would say they would be no better then now. I liked the one off finals, but I would much rather see it 10 times a year than once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthsayer Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Live British Speedway on Youtube will be catastrophic Then the product is bad and it's a managed decline until the existing ageing audience is no more, or there are no more venues or riders let. YouTube is the best way to reach a mass audience, but they have a lot of choice in the world. Audiences no longer view their entertainment in the same way. Going out to watch an event live when they can watch it online is an option for many people. Not everyone, but for certain people consuming content is different to how it used to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 might be a trivial thing but we have gone from bags being searched for bombs to now where you cant bring in flask of coffee and a sandwich, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 15 hours ago, Toady said: I Never thought I would say it but have been pleasantly surprised with the std of racing in the championship and find I don’t miss the smattering of top stars so if it means speedway here survives without them so be it. However I would prefer there to be one league rather than a divide Most fans just want their team to be competitive and have a decent race track which allows racing and overtaking, it really doesn't matter whether it’s Premiership or Championship. Unfortunately I am told lay-downs react to grippy or deep tracks more causing more problems for the inexperienced riders. Predominately the better riders like slick conditions especially the better trappers who can then win more easily when they make the gate. But you of course this makes for boring gate and go meetings which doesn’t encourage supporters to attend. If the racing was decent then I dare say more supporters would attend and you wouldn’t see stadiums 90% empty like this weeks World Cup so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Even the social media bubble seems to have burst Kings Lynn Twitter and Facebook pages get little comments compared to a few seasons ago that could be down to the age of most of the punters I guess . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Most fans just want their team to be competitive and have a decent race track which allows racing and overtaking, it really doesn't matter whether it’s Premiership or Championship. Unfortunately I am told lay-downs react to grippy or deep tracks more causing more problems for the inexperienced riders. Predominately the better riders like slick conditions especially the better trappers who can then win more easily when they make the gate. But you of course this makes for boring gate and go meetings which doesn’t encourage supporters to attend. If the racing was decent then I dare say more supporters would attend and you wouldn’t see stadiums 90% empty like this weeks World Cup so far. When you use such a contrived operating model which knackers up the credibility of your leagues' structure so much, the only thing you have left to "sell" is the racing... Not sure all the promoters are aware enough of that, given many still seem to see "winning" as the most important thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 There needs to be a radical change sooner rather then later, if it ain't to late now even to make the sport more appealing to a younger fan base, ive been going since i was in my teens and im now pushing 58 and my Mum and Dad still go who are in their early 80's, we're classed as old buggers and the majority of the fan base at probably every club is of this age, when we all get to old to attend or turn are toes up who's left to attend the meetings, hardly any bugger the way i see it with how the sport is currently run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, kevin bass said: There needs to be a radical change sooner rather then later, if it ain't to late now even to make the sport more appealing to a younger fan base, ive been going since i was in my teens and im now pushing 58 and my Mum and Dad still go who are in their early 80's, we're classed as old buggers and the majority of the fan base at probably every club is of this age, when we all get to old to attend or turn are toes up who's left to attend the meetings, hardly any bugger the way i see it with how the sport is currently run. Definitely needs something more to attract younger people 15 heats isn’t enough 15 minutes racing spun out over 2 hours for £22 - why does Stock Cars get such big crowds ? Weekend racing might have something to do with it I guess they seem to advertise stock cars with posters .It’s as if most speedway promotions have given up run out of ideas . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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