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15 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Dont agree....

It was all going great until you started this thread..

Your fault all this.:D...

I cleaned the toilets and cut the grass earlier at home, so wind yer’ neck in… nothing to do with me!

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Thought of a new initiative this morning - ‘The Holiday KO Cup’ 

Riders who work so hard for our entertainment should be granted at least 3 riders to go on holiday for these matches for some time off and be replaced by guests during the season. I can really see this one catching on. 

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9 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

Speedway in the U.K. has been broken for years, decades in fact, every year I think it can’t get any worse and it always does. Expectations need to be dramatically lowered, Speedway in the U.K. needs to be semi professional/amateur racing to survive as a sport instead of putting a sticking plaster on it every November.

Along with the caption of “use it or lose it, so therefore prices are now going to be £25 to get in” more than likely….

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6 hours ago, Mick Bratley said:

Speedway in the U.K. has been broken for years, decades in fact, every year I think it can’t get any worse and it always does. Expectations need to be dramatically lowered, Speedway in the U.K. needs to be semi professional/amateur racing to survive as a sport instead of putting a sticking plaster on it every November.

Spot on. Will there be a change? i very much doubt it, the clowns running the sport haven’t the ability to change things, they will keep plodding on until it drops dead in front of them and blame everyone but themselves. Dopey Godfrey is completely useless and couldn’t run a drinking competition in a brewery. 

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6 hours ago, Mick Bratley said:

Speedway in the U.K. has been broken for years, decades in fact, every year I think it can’t get any worse and it always does. Expectations need to be dramatically lowered, Speedway in the U.K. needs to be semi professional/amateur racing to survive as a sport instead of putting a sticking plaster on it every November.

But Mick...

Surely EVERY stakeholder involved has been able to see that for years..? 

Tens of thousands of fans, who still visit now and again, and still follow the sport very closely, have "spoken" by the very fact they no longer attend regularly as they simply see it all as "Mickey Mouse" contrived nonsense.. 

When will "enough be enough" before the message sinks in? 

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1 hour ago, mikebv said:

But Mick...

Surely EVERY stakeholder involved has been able to see that for years..? 

Tens of thousands of fans, who still visit now and again, and still follow the sport very closely, have "spoken" by the very fact they no longer attend regularly as they simply see it all as "Mickey Mouse" contrived nonsense.. 

When will "enough be enough" before the message sinks in? 

There’s none so blind as those that can’t see. Sadly.

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30 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

There’s none so blind as those that can’t see. Sadly.

I'm not sure they are blind, it's more like they are in survival mode.

But the stakeholders are too invested in it. What do they do?

There are too many stakeholders, all struggling to stay afloat. They can't rescue the ship when they're struggling to stay alive themselves.

So they just try to run it as 'less bad' as they can.

It needs a blank sheet, a whole new start. It also needs to be amateur, or at best semi-professional. It needs a product developed for the competitor, not (just) the spectator.

They're all too invested in it as it is. So it is a managed decline.

 

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If speedway is a franchise business it needs to be run like one. Someone sets the direction and the franchise owners buy into that model. At the moment, everyone having a say just defeats the object of leadership and direction.

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Apparently from when BV was taken over they have lost hundreds of thousands of pounds some say over a million and them people are supposed to be hot shot business people but they rely on mark lemon two much to run the show, who’s only a TM and way way out of his depth and has never run a club or even a burger van. And we wonder why the sport is bankrupt. 

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4 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

Apparently from when BV was taken over they have lost hundreds of thousands of pounds some say over a million and them people are supposed to be hot shot business people but they rely on mark lemon two much to run the show, who’s only a TM and way way out of his depth and has never run a club or even a burger van. And we wonder why the sport is bankrupt. 

No one will ever make money from uk speedway, the only thing they can hope is to break even.

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4 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

Apparently from when BV was taken over they have lost hundreds of thousands of pounds some say over a million and them people are supposed to be hot shot business people but they rely on mark lemon two much to run the show, who’s only a TM and way way out of his depth and has never run a club or even a burger van. And we wonder why the sport is bankrupt. 

Is anyone really under the illusion that you can run a speedway team as a profitable business?

The sport is bankrupt because the product is rubbish: overheads are too high and income too low. The operating model is largely out of the control of the 'promoters' and so there is very little which can be done to turn the business around.

Promoters come in to 'save the club' or because they are enthusiasts who like the idea of running a sports club.

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22 minutes ago, truthsayer said:

Is anyone really under the illusion that you can run a speedway team as a profitable business?

The sport is bankrupt because the product is rubbish: overheads are too high and income too low. The operating model is largely out of the control of the 'promoters' and so there is very little which can be done to turn the business around.

Promoters come in to 'save the club' or because they are enthusiasts who like the idea of running a sports club.

It is not a profitable business and anyone capable of producing a business plan and cash flow would recognise the weaknesses in not least for the dependency on income outside the control of the the promoter running the club. It requires wealthy sponsors, a minimum number of punters through the gate and riders who recognise that their contribution to the entertainment will reflect their value to the overall presentation and earn accordingly. 

At the moment you have riders trying to screw as much as possible out of a bankrupt product and club owners who simply refuse to say no to the demands of riders and fail to recognise the state the sport is in. As has been said in earlier posts at best this is now an amateur sport and if you need confirmation of how dire it has got look at the World Cup and it’s screening. It use to be on Sky or BT and promoted but now it is no longer On a fully accessible t v channel but some app and the final eventually is on Eurosport. Who in the U.K. other than the anoraks knows that team GB are competing and someone explain what home publicity the sport derives from what should a major event.

It is dead in the water as a sport and no matter what the annual November get together comes up with, you can be assured they will not know how to deal with the decline.

Those in charge need to be dynamic and try something drastic to revive speedways fortunes in the U.K. but it will not happen. Perhaps the sport should take time out in 2024 and abandon league meetings and try something completely different.

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51 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

Apparently from when BV was taken over they have lost hundreds of thousands of pounds some say over a million and them people are supposed to be hot shot business people but they rely on mark lemon two much to run the show, who’s only a TM and way way out of his depth and has never run a club or even a burger van. And we wonder why the sport is bankrupt. 

It was 17 million or so I heard from some people though it may have been different people to your people. The club is only kept afloat now as Lemon apparently harvests the organs of our younger fans. Older fans organs feed the greyhounds next door so we get use of their parking. 

I have to take issue about the hot shot business people as they’re not that daft and they know that Lemmo does indeed run a burger van outside Stockport County. Explains why he was missing from the recent tv meeting and they had to get a lookalike in. 

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10 minutes ago, 25yearfan said:

I bet Chris Louis doesn't lose money running Ipswich! - He wouldn't do it if it lost money!

He is probably not happy with his investment this year and even though he probably runs a tight ship, the gamble has not paid the dividends he may well have hoped for. A shame really but it is what it is.

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7 minutes ago, Hawk127 said:

It is not a profitable business and anyone capable of producing a business plan and cash flow would recognise the weaknesses in not least for the dependency on income outside the control of the the promoter running the club. It requires wealthy sponsors, a minimum number of punters through the gate and riders who recognise that their contribution to the entertainment will reflect their value to the overall presentation and earn accordingly. 

Business owners are also told what days they can run on, and are at the mercy of their landlords, the weather and their fellow franchise owners.

Add in rising utility costs and you have a completely unsustainable business.

Most sports have reinvented themselves in some way or another over the decades. Speedway, however, tries to serve up the same old product without any positive evolution.

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