Poole Pirates Vs Glasgow Tigers Bsn Final 1st Leg 5th July

[BackInTheDHSS]

15 hours ago, lewy said:

Hate to break it to you lisa nobody benefits from what you or anyone posts. Sorry to shatter your illusions of grandeur.

Plenty of people benefit from what people post on this forum. A lot of posters are very well informed, and a lot of people are very grateful for a lot of things said and explained. For instance, just a few posts before this one on this thread, a whole section on averages was explained etc. It's only the trolls who post on here that offer no benefits whatsoever. 

[lewy]

12 minutes ago, BackInTheDHSS said:

Plenty of people benefit from what people post on this forum. A lot of posters are very well informed, and a lot of people are very grateful for a lot of things said and explained. For instance, just a few posts before this one on this thread, a whole section on averages was explained etc. It's only the trolls who post on here that offer no benefits whatsoever. 

Exactly my point 

[Toady]

9 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Why shouldn't Lisa if she likes Speedway & wants to talk about it? That's what forums are for I thought?

Of course she should but so should everyone else and not be accused of trolling just because you don’t like what they say.There are a few of the mega posters who like to dish it out but cannot take it (the usual suspects) as they succumb to using the T word when they eventually lose their cool imo

[BackInTheDHSS]

15 hours ago, lewy said:

Hate to break it to you lisa nobody benefits from what you or anyone posts. Sorry to shatter your illusions of grandeur.

16 minutes ago, BackInTheDHSS said:

Plenty of people benefit from what people post on this forum. A lot of posters are very well informed, and a lot of people are very grateful for a lot of things said and explained. For instance, just a few posts before this one on this thread, a whole section on averages was explained etc. It's only the trolls who post on here that offer no benefits whatsoever. 

3 minutes ago, lewy said:

Exactly my point 

Errrr....no, it's not. You said exactly the opposite. 

[LisaColette]

2 hours ago, Gazc said:

Cheers for that very simple when explained looks like I had a Lisa moment.

No need for my fellow Tigeratti to be confused at me being confused now.

Haha, I can actually read and understand GSA thanks Gaz. Bottom of the class for you 

1 hour ago, Toady said:

Of course she should but so should everyone else and not be accused of trolling just because you don’t like what they say.There are a few of the mega posters who like to dish it out but cannot take it (the usual suspects) as they succumb to using the T word when they eventually lose their cool imo

Tyre trax is a troll. He just antagonises people on purpose. He never actually comments on a meeting or makes a prediction for example. 

1 hour ago, BackInTheDHSS said:

Errrr....no, it's not. You said exactly the opposite. 

Exactly. 

[Gazc]

58 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Haha, I can actually read and understand GSA thanks Gaz. Bottom of the class for you 

Tyre trax is a troll. He just antagonises people on purpose. He never actually comments on a meeting or makes a prediction for example. 

Exactly. 

What again.

[foreverblue]

I hope there is plenty of passing at Ashfield in the return leg or Brown will have to refer to his book of excuses again.

[Fromafar]

6 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

I hope there is plenty of passing at Ashfield in the return leg or Brown will have to refer to his book of excuses again.

There might not be much if theTigers gate.

[LisaColette]

Oh look, a pass on lap 2 and lap 3. 

 

[Paulco]

14 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Oh look, a pass on lap 2 and lap 3. 

 

Folk put too much emphasis on passing , yes its exciting to watch , but I've seen many an exciting race with riders going for it less than a bike length apart,  but the actual overtake doesn't happen 

[TheScotsman]

14 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Oh look, a pass on lap 2 and lap 3. 

 

Err yes - but only because of rider errors aka a hole/ridge in the track!!

[Toady]

10 minutes ago, TheScotsman said:

Err yes - but only because of rider errors aka a hole/ridge in the track!!

Same for all

[lbw]

15 minutes ago, Toady said:

Same for all

Brennan was a Toad in the hole! 

Edited July 12, 2023 by lbw

[Knightime]

Hello Glasgow - you lost to a better team on the day - it really is that simple. We did the same at Oxford and had the grace to say so 

You are insulting your own riders when you blame the track. They are professionals and have the chance pre-meeting to walk the track and after the introductions do some practice starts - all the riders are on regulated bikes - so all the same bar the set up adjustments - are you really saying your guys are simply incapable of making the required adjustments? 

OK home riders may take certain favoured racing lines  but again - not hard to spot when you have been to Poole before or watch the first 4 heats - I do feel for you because for whatever reason it was apparent heads had dropped in the red corner - which is a pity when its over 2 legs.

No doubt see you again - hopefully better prepared

 

Go Pirates!!

[Gazc]

This thread is now at boak-inducing levels.

[Vic Meldrew]

I watched this meeting as a neutral observer whilst on holiday in the area. I have seen many meetings a Wimborne Road over the past 30 years and I have been a speedway fan for over 60 years. 

Firstly, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the shape of the track although the racing surface could be improved. Prior to the first heat I noticed that on the first bend there was virtually no shale on the inside section  with the dirt "heaped" along the perimeter. This was probably to accommodate the home riders who prefer the track prepared in this way. There is nothing wrong with this home advantage procedure - it is the same technique at most tracks.

Secondly, the track grading appears to be inadequate. The "tiny" blade used hardly touches the track surface - a proper revolving grader should be used to eliminate any ruts. Len Silver could advise on the use of this type of grader and track preparation in general!!

A few years ago I did see the famous "hole" on the entry to the first bend which seemed to appear after a few races. I thought that this had been resolved until I saw Tom Brennan hit the hole/ridge and take off into the fence. Proper track grading should have eliminated any such ruts or waves.

It was evident after the first four heats that the away team were not using correct gearing or "set-ups" and were consistently out-gated. Apart from the machinery the Poole riders were certainly up for this contest and had a winning mentality. Overall, the performance of the away riders was disappointing. I was impressed with the tenacious riding of Lee Complin last year at Poole when he was riding for Newcastle but he seemed to be a shadow of the rider I saw last year. It did occur to me that he had some machine problems which may have contributed to his poor performance but this is only conjecture on my part.

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Vic Meldrew
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[mac101]

18 hours ago, Vic Meldrew said:

I watched this meeting as a neutral observer whilst on holiday in the area. I have seen many meetings a Wimborne Road over the past 30 years and I have been a speedway fan for over 60 years. 

Firstly, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the shape of the track although the racing surface could be improved. Prior to the first heat I noticed that on the first bend there was virtually no shale on the inside section  with the dirt "heaped" along the perimeter. This was probably to accommodate the home riders who prefer the track prepared in this way. There is nothing wrong with this home advantage procedure - it is the same technique at most tracks.

Secondly, the track grading appears to be inadequate. The "tiny" blade used hardly touches the track surface - a proper revolving grader should be used to eliminate any ruts. Len Silver could advise on the use of this type of grader and track preparation in general!!

A few years ago I did see the famous "hole" on the entry to the first bend which seemed to appear after a few races. I thought that this had been resolved until I saw Tom Brennan hit the hole/ridge and take off into the fence. Proper track grading should have eliminated any such ruts or waves.

It was evident after the first four heats that the away team were not using correct gearing or "set-ups" and were consistently out-gated. Apart from the machinery the Poole riders were certainly up for this contest and had a winning mentality. Overall, the performance of the away riders was disappointing. I was impressed with the tenacious riding of Lee Complin last year at Poole when he was riding for Newcastle but he seemed to be a shadow of the rider I saw last year. It did occur to me that he had some machine problems which may have contributed to his poor performance but this is only conjecture on my part.

 

A lot of riders that have been using NEB Brown clutch plates seem to be having  a problem at the moment as there is none left in the country  or Poland or Denmark dew to lack of manufacturing products to make them  

i know Lee did used them and is now struggling to get a decent set up with trying others plates only the riders that stocked up at the start of the season will have them, a few rider i know have changed to red ones and seem to struggle to get it pull the way they want too out the starts as the compound is totally different riders never really change there clutch set up as it’s hard to get it the same with different colour 

[Cast1rn]

20 hours ago, Vic Meldrew said:

 

It was evident after the first four heats that the away team were not using correct gearing or "set-ups" and were consistently out-gated. 

 

Based on page 22 of this week's star, the track had been modified from what had it had been during the start of this season which may have  caught the Glasgow riders out.

"We did some work on the track for our benefit and the starts were perfect for us."

"We hadn't been happy with the starts,we hadn't been making starts ourselves. We have been playing catch up early doors in the season."

"We had a good chat with Terry our track curator, and he listened to the boys. Now we have the starts how we want them."

So hopefully the next team wanting to try and keep it close at Wimborne road had better take a civil engineer or geologist with them, to see what traction is available off the starting line

 

[Toady]

21 hours ago, Vic Meldrew said:

I watched this meeting as a neutral observer whilst on holiday in the area. I have seen many meetings a Wimborne Road over the past 30 years and I have been a speedway fan for over 60 years. 

Firstly, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the shape of the track although the racing surface could be improved. Prior to the first heat I noticed that on the first bend there was virtually no shale on the inside section  with the dirt "heaped" along the perimeter. This was probably to accommodate the home riders who prefer the track prepared in this way. There is nothing wrong with this home advantage procedure - it is the same technique at most tracks.

Secondly, the track grading appears to be inadequate. The "tiny" blade used hardly touches the track surface - a proper revolving grader should be used to eliminate any ruts. Len Silver could advise on the use of this type of grader and track preparation in general!!

A few years ago I did see the famous "hole" on the entry to the first bend which seemed to appear after a few races. I thought that this had been resolved until I saw Tom Brennan hit the hole/ridge and take off into the fence. Proper track grading should have eliminated any such ruts or waves.

It was evident after the first four heats that the away team were not using correct gearing or "set-ups" and were consistently out-gated. Apart from the machinery the Poole riders were certainly up for this contest and had a winning mentality. Overall, the performance of the away riders was disappointing. I was impressed with the tenacious riding of Lee Complin last year at Poole when he was riding for Newcastle but he seemed to be a shadow of the rider I saw last year. It did occur to me that he had some machine problems which may have contributed to his poor performance but this is only conjecture on my part.

 

I don’t believe it

[Tracy Bird]

Had a chat with Chris Harris at marmande thursday and he said there was nothing wrong with the track,Poole we’re far better out the starts and wanted it more,he  also said that he wouldn’t expect Poole to prepare a track that he could blast round the outside!