Bavarian Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 Just look at Poland they changed from one-off final to three round series and they have nothing but problems now and it has lost much of its appeal. Keep the British Final as a one-off final, that's the best 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Danyon hulme replaces Richie worrall The "Winner" withdraws Edited August 13, 2023 by bellevueace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham78 Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 So this the state the sport’s got into in the UK; the British Final and some riders deciding it’s not worth their while riding in it. Well as someone who has supported this event in the past ( at considerable cost as I live nearly 200 miles from the track) I don’t think it’s worth my time going to watch it. I don’t know what the criteria for riding in the final is but Lambert & Woffinden should be in it as well as that would surely bring in a few hundred more bums on seats. Riders should be supporting these events if they want the sport to continue in this country thus enabling them to continue earning a living doing the thing they love the most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 https://www.bellevue-speedway.com/blog/latest-news-2/meeting-preview-2023-sports-insure-british-final-143 I am sure this will be a great meeting, and I really can not understand the negative attitude of some of the BSF members. Come on give it a go and make it an event to enjoy. A big crowd and great atmosphere at the stadium could show the riders like Woffinden and Lambert that the British Final is a meeting not to be missed. A more positive approach can change many things around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: Danyon hulme replaces Richie worrall Be nice if there was some official word on this, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) On 8/12/2023 at 3:55 PM, Phil The Ace said: Weather looks horrific for Monday. got 2 weeks till Cardiff to sort a wildcard I'm surprised they didn't learn from last year & hold the British Final early enough to allow a re-staging before Cardiff if postponed? Edited August 13, 2023 by szkocjasid 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 8:20 AM, arnieg said: Done on 1 August green sheets (Prem) I believe. But it does seem unreasonable that the under 21 champion doesn't get a place. On 8/12/2023 at 8:36 AM, castrolargh said: As for u21 winner, I think the reward should be a place in the British final, with a total of maybe 8 seeded and the rest from semi finals, to give more riders a chance of pulling off a shock I would have to disagree with the British U21 Champion being seeded to the final, it's supposed to be for the top 16 Brits (who want to ride), of they are good enough they'll qualify. You could get a situation where the 16th best rider is a 22 year old, not getting picked as he was too old to compete in the U-21s. I would certainly prefer qualifiers to decide the finalists, that would be my priority far before having a 3 round series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 4 hours ago, bringbackHalifax said: It is not an extra payday, it costs to do the meeting unless you reach top four. As for pulling out late, he only found out when they did the draw that he was in it. Scotty has pulled out as well, but no comments on here, speedway is imploding in the UK and everyone wants to carry on as it were. It will be too late very soon.Riders need to be more involved in decision making and ideas. We cannot afford 2 min clocks to keep meetings moving but we can have transponders that will bring the fans back in their thousands (sarcasm). The riders new in July so that's not true. Also Scott told them he wasn't riding this year hence he wasn't in the line up announced on 1st August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, False dawn said: Be nice if there was some official word on this, eh? They did tweet this about 9 hours ago from the official address, although Worrall told the BSN audience on Friday night he wasn't doing it. Edited August 13, 2023 by SPEEDY69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 4 hours ago, bringbackHalifax said: It is not an extra payday, it costs to do the meeting unless you reach top four. So Worrall's proposal of three/four meetings will just cost the riders more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 There's definately no published Qualification for this meeting, sounds like it was roughly made up. The SCB rulebook convienently says Qualifying criteria 'To be confirmed' with no update. If it were done on 1st August Greensheet PL averages, Craig Cook wasn't anywhere to be seen in that list, Ben Barker doesn't have a club and Simon Lambert (3.66) is lower than Danyon Hume (3.74) Zero transparency within British Speedway, and run by Chocolate fireguards. Answers on a postcard please... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 Seems barely enough interest from riders to run one “final” let alone qualifying meetings! How would they fit in theses meetings in an already overcrowded fixture list . Until the “British champion “ is granted a wildcard into theGP circus this is a nothing meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Gresham78 said: So this the state the sport’s got into in the UK; the British Final and some riders deciding it’s not worth their while riding in it. Well as someone who has supported this event in the past ( at considerable cost as I live nearly 200 miles from the track) I don’t think it’s worth my time going to watch it. I don’t know what the criteria for riding in the final is but Lambert & Woffinden should be in it as well as that would surely bring in a few hundred more bums on seats. Riders should be supporting these events if they want the sport to continue in this country thus enabling them to continue earning a living doing the thing they love the most. Can't agree with you on Lambert and Woofy getting a place. If they can't be ar5ed riding in their home country why should 5hey get handed a chance to win a title at the expense of riders wh o do support the leagues. Ok Woofy is now riding over here at the business end of the season when it suits HIM just as Lambert did last season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 8/9/2023 at 5:16 PM, Hawk127 said: Perhaps it should renamed the Commonwealth Final and you could have Doyle and few other decent riders in the line up and likewise the Australian Championships could invite a few Brits. Hold it at a weekend when the Poles are not racing and you might get an improved attendance. As it is only track locals locals a few waifs and strays from other tracks will make it on a weekday night. Devalue the product by attendance and race day and you have the best they can come up with. Says all about those in charge. No need to rename it. Previous winners of the British Championship: Barry Briggs 1961, 1964-1969; Ivan Mauger 1970-1972; Rory Schlein (who's in it this year) 2020. Other podium places have gone to Ronnie Moore, Bob Valentine and Jason Crump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, Marksman said: There's definately no published Qualification for this meeting, sounds like it was roughly made up. The SCB rulebook convienently says Qualifying criteria 'To be confirmed' with no update. If it were done on 1st August Greensheet PL averages, Craig Cook wasn't anywhere to be seen in that list, Ben Barker doesn't have a club and Simon Lambert (3.66) is lower than Danyon Hume (3.74) Zero transparency within British Speedway, and run by Chocolate fireguards. Answers on a postcard please... Barker is with Plymouth - granted he doesn't have a PL club but neither did Cook till last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 8 hours ago, cinderfella said: Can't agree with you on Lambert and Woofy getting a place. If they can't be ar5ed riding in their home country why should 5hey get handed a chance to win a title at the expense of riders wh o do support the leagues. Ok Woofy is now riding over here at the business end of the season when it suits HIM just as Lambert did last season. You only have to see the positive impact Woffy has had on the two attendance's since riding over here, to see what a great opportunity it would be to have him and Robert Lambert in this meeting.. And, whilst you have two of the top three (by far), British riders not competing, it 1 million percent reduces the kudos of victory for who gets crowned tonight.. I am not going as the field doesn't excite me, and it is on TV so already paid for it.. However. If I could have envisaged a final with Dan, Tai and Robert in, plus head to head races through the 20 qualifying heats, then I, and I suspect many, many others, would have been there, no question... You allow Australians to riide, (insert your own Woffy joke here), and invite Div 2 second strings/reserves along to "make up the numbers' (no disrespect intended to any of them obviously)... Yet you dont go out of your way to attract a third of the worlds top nine GP riiders.....? What an opportunity to deliver a British Final worthy of the name, I suspect there wont be too many more years when this nation has 3 of the worlds best riders eligible to ride for its National title.... And, going back to " all our yesterdays", even in the "halcyon days" we didn't have 3 British riders at such a level too many times... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Marksman said: There's definately no published Qualification for this meeting, sounds like it was roughly made up. The SCB rulebook convienently says Qualifying criteria 'To be confirmed' with no update. If it were done on 1st August Greensheet PL averages, Craig Cook wasn't anywhere to be seen in that list, Ben Barker doesn't have a club and Simon Lambert (3.66) is lower than Danyon Hume (3.74) Zero transparency within British Speedway, and run by Chocolate fireguards. Answers on a postcard please... Lambert 3.89 [CL av of 5.84 /1.5] qualified ahead of Hume and similarly Cook and Barker who were not in PL teams on 25 July when new greensheets were issued are there by dint of their CL averages divided by 1.5. So I reiterate my view that it's based on 1 August GSAs. Would have been nice if they could simply have said that though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 43 minutes ago, arnieg said: Lambert 3.89 [CL av of 5.84 /1.5] qualified ahead of Hume and similarly Cook and Barker who were not in PL teams on 25 July when new greensheets were issued are there by dint of their CL averages divided by 1.5. So I reiterate my view that it's based on 1 August GSAs. Would have been nice if they could simply have said that though. It sometimes appears that "they" wait for someone to come on here and, after reviewing the numbers and the regs, put them on the right track, before they publicly put out any news... "Can he guest?"... "Not sure. What does the BSF say?"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 Looking at the weather forecast, it looks like the track is in for a lot of rain and we all know the track at the NSS is not at it's best when it's over wet... could produce a surprise winner. May bring the likes of Bomber into the equation... he can read his statement out from the top of the podium Richie Worrall will be kicking himself if the track is heavy, it's a bit of a leveller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 11:02 PM, mc131 said: They wouldn't anyway his face doesn't fit, would be end up being ellis If it doesn't go ahead and they have to make a pick for the wildcard, I think we all know exactly who they will choose and it won't be Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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