SCB's excuse for Artem Laguta

[Big Al]

Could it be that on this occasion, the current KL management is an innocent party, albeit rather incompetent and bungled? 

The rider and his agent, and his Polish club, would know perfectly well that an "illness" certified medically will get him a 7-day exemption from having to ride in the UK.

KL probably knew all along this was going to happen. Possibly it was all "agreed", informally of course, when negotiations took place around the time Laguta signed. Maybe KL management at the time said yes because they were desperate to get the deal over the line?

Maybe the current KL management inherited this, but they haven't dealt with it very well. They maybe knew he was going to cry off, but there was uncertainty over the actual reason which was to be used?

 

 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, uk_martin said:

So, what was the REAL (supposed?) reason for Lagutas absence? According to the Polish Press, on the fimspeedway.com web site, the reason that Kings Lynn gave was an ankle injury. But on the SCB statement it's given as food poisoning.  The fimspeedway.com site appeared to be down when I tried to see for myself, but here's the reference to the Polish site that points you to it.
https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/1067867/artiom-laguta-zawieszony-podpadl-wladzom-ligi

Interesting that the Wolves web site's match preview posted on the Sunday before the meeting has Chris Harris in the KL team. Chris van Straaten obviously has amazing crystal balls to predict that, hasn't he? Sad though that the lie about Lagutas absence is compounded by those lies about the programme being printed on the Monday morning. 

And as ever with these characters, it's all in the best interests of British Speedway.

"In the best interests of Speedway"..

When those words are used, it is strange how often they actually mean the complete opposite...

"In the interests of us not having to run the sport like a credible sport" might be more appropriate on so many occasions....

Edited June 28, 2023 by mikebv

[Daniel Smith]

5 minutes ago, Big Al said:

Could it be that on this occasion, the current KL management is an innocent party, albeit rather incompetent and bungled? 

The rider and his agent, and his Polish club, would know perfectly well that an "illness" certified medically will get him a 7-day exemption from having to ride in the UK.

KL probably knew all along this was going to happen. Possibly it was all "agreed", informally of course, when negotiations took place around the time Laguta signed. Maybe KL management at the time said yes because they were desperate to get the deal over the line?

Maybe the current KL management inherited this, but they haven't dealt with it very well. They maybe knew he was going to cry off, but there was uncertainty over the actual reason which was to be used?

 

 

The 7 day ban serves no purpose because King's Lynn don't have their next meeting until 9 days after the ban issued. With Laguta already not "chosen" for the Pairs, King's Lynn are not innocent in the fraudulent behaviour. 

[mikebv]

9 minutes ago, Big Al said:

Could it be that on this occasion, the current KL management is an innocent party, albeit rather incompetent and bungled? 

The rider and his agent, and his Polish club, would know perfectly well that an "illness" certified medically will get him a 7-day exemption from having to ride in the UK.

KL probably knew all along this was going to happen. Possibly it was all "agreed", informally of course, when negotiations took place around the time Laguta signed. Maybe KL management at the time said yes because they were desperate to get the deal over the line?

Maybe the current KL management inherited this, but they haven't dealt with it very well. They maybe knew he was going to cry off, but there was uncertainty over the actual reason which was to be used?

 

 

If correct...

Then just come out and tell the public that he wasnt going to be there..

Guests are an ever present at virtually every meeting for a myriad of reasons...

This would be just another one..

 

[scoobydoo]

5 hours ago, Flappy said:

Robert Lambert did that 

Ohh The infamous ive hurt my back lifting my bikes out the van excuse , 

[Lord Skid]

14 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Phil needs to address the SCB statement and call for an investigation otherwise the transparency that he seeks will never happen.

And what exactly can he do, charge Buster with bringing the Sport into disrepute, suspend his licence? Forgot, they're the penalties for the little Conference league Clubs,  trying to survive.

Feel sorry for Ipswich, Wolves and Belle Vue who still try to run a proper Club.

[Bald Bloke]

2 hours ago, Big Al said:

Could it be that on this occasion, the current KL management is an innocent party, albeit rather incompetent and bungled? 

The rider and his agent, and his Polish club, would know perfectly well that an "illness" certified medically will get him a 7-day exemption from having to ride in the UK.

KL probably knew all along this was going to happen. Possibly it was all "agreed", informally of course, when negotiations took place around the time Laguta signed. Maybe KL management at the time said yes because they were desperate to get the deal over the line?

Maybe the current KL management inherited this, but they haven't dealt with it very well. They maybe knew he was going to cry off, but there was uncertainty over the actual reason which was to be used?

 

 

Just the truth is all we want.

Whether Buster inherited the deal from Alex, or this has come from Lagtua/ Poland. Or has Buster felt he had to do it to keep running to the end of the season. Any of those 3 isn't  really damming on Buster in fairness. Well 2 out of 3 deffo ain't any fault of Buster. The 3rd  might of been either that, or close now.   The transparency is whats needed here from Buster . Not being honest It's giving people the chance to get on his back.. again ..Honesty  goes a long way imho.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Bald Bloke

[Roger Jacobs]

2 hours ago, uk_martin said:

So, what was the REAL (supposed?) reason for Lagutas absence? According to the Polish Press, on the fimspeedway.com web site, the reason that Kings Lynn gave was an ankle injury. But on the SCB statement it's given as food poisoning.  The fimspeedway.com site appeared to be down when I tried to see for myself, but here's the reference to the Polish site that points you to it.
https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/1067867/artiom-laguta-zawieszony-podpadl-wladzom-ligi

Interesting that the Wolves web site's match preview posted on the Sunday before the meeting has Chris Harris in the KL team. Chris van Straaten obviously has amazing crystal balls to predict that, hasn't he? Sad though that the lie about Laguta's absence is compounded by those lies about the programme being printed on the Monday morning. 

And as ever with these characters, it's all in the best interests of British Speedway.

 ... unless the prog was printed on Monday lunchtime, they must have known at least on Saturday (assuming the printers don't print on a Sunday).  Teams are supposed to nominate their line-up 3 days in advance - even if Harris was on standby (as per the KL website), they should still have had Laguta at #1 in the prog.

Before #BusterGate, I was told that Ipswich had not received the KL line-up. I was told in an e-mail from Neil Vatcher that their line-up had been "posted on the line-ups page" - when I asked him where that was, he never bothered to reply.  The SCB Statement said: "Both King's Lynn Speedway and Norfolk Arena Limited have been exonerated of any kind of improper conduct ..." When I asked the SCB about the series of events involving those two, i.e. when did NAL inform KLS of the busted gate, Vatcher replied: "Norfolk Arena Limited IS King's Lynn Speedway" (my emphasis).  You really couldn't make this up.

[Big Al]

3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Just the truth is all we want.

Whether Buster inherited the deal from Alex, or this has come from Lagtua/ Poland. Or has Buster felt he had to do it to keep running to the end of the season. Any of those 3 isn't  really damming on Buster in fairness. Well 2 out of 3 deffo ain't any fault of Buster. The 3rd  might of been either that, or close now.   The transparency is whats needed here from Buster . Not being honest It's giving people the chance to get on his back.. again ..Honesty  goes a long way imho.

Unlikely that Buster would publicly incriminate Alex (he wouldn't want to jeopardise his chances of resuming stewardship of KL when he's able to), so what could he do? There really wasn't an easy way out except the fudge-up job, which unfortunately turned out to be extra-fudgy with sticky toffee.

The interesting thing to know, would be when the booking was first put into Chris Harris's diary. I'd wager it was several weeks ago!

[1 valve]

5 hours ago, bellevueace said:

At least the SCB have confirmed their disregard of the supporters, as if we needed any proof.

Why (if you are referring to the Laguta case) do you think that?
There is a a statutory rule banning riders for 7 days who present a medical note relating to a none speedway illness.
Laguta is not due to ride in UK for 7 days so no meetings missed - other than the Wolves fixture which is "explained" by the medical note.  

[tocha]

2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

 ... unless the prog was printed on Monday lunchtime, they must have known at least on Saturday (assuming the printers don't print on a Sunday).  Teams are supposed to nominate their line-up 3 days in advance - even if Harris was on standby (as per the KL website), they should still have had Laguta at #1 in the prog.

Before #BusterGate, I was told that Ipswich had not received the KL line-up. I was told in an e-mail from Neil Vatcher that their line-up had been "posted on the line-ups page" - when I asked him where that was, he never bothered to reply.  The SCB Statement said: "Both King's Lynn Speedway and Norfolk Arena Limited have been exonerated of any kind of improper conduct ..." When I asked the SCB about the series of events involving those two, i.e. when did NAL inform KLS of the busted gate, Vatcher replied: "Norfolk Arena Limited IS King's Lynn Speedway" (my emphasis).  You really couldn't make this up.

There is a discrepancy between both Clubs' previews published on Sunday.

The Stars made this statement
The Stars also have Chris Harris on standby to guest at No.1 should he be required to replace Artem Laguta, following his ankle injury last week.

then Wolves included this in their preview 

With a doubt over the fitness of 2021 World Campion Artem Laguta, King's Lynn have named Chris Harris as a guest at No.1

Therefore it is perfectly possible for Wolves to have produced amended programmes as early as Monday morning.

 

[Flappy]

3 hours ago, Lord Skid said:

And what exactly can he do, charge Buster with bringing the Sport into disrepute, suspend his licence? Forgot, they're the penalties for the little Conference league Clubs,  trying to survive.

Feel sorry for Ipswich, Wolves and Belle Vue who still try to run a proper Club.

Yes punish him 

[Roger Jacobs]

49 minutes ago, tocha said:

There is a discrepancy between both Clubs' previews published on Sunday.

The Stars made this statement
The Stars also have Chris Harris on standby to guest at No.1 should he be required to replace Artem Laguta, following his ankle injury last week.

then Wolves included this in their preview 

With a doubt over the fitness of 2021 World Campion Artem Laguta, King's Lynn have named Chris Harris as a guest at No.1

Therefore it is perfectly possible for Wolves to have produced amended programmes as early as Monday morning.

Do you really think Wolves would ask the printer to delay printing their programmes, just in case there was a line-up change - seriously?! 

[Bald Bloke]

1 hour ago, Big Al said:

Unlikely that Buster would publicly incriminate Alex (he wouldn't want to jeopardise his chances of resuming stewardship of KL when he's able to), so what could he do? There really wasn't an easy way out except the fudge-up job, which unfortunately turned out to be extra-fudgy with sticky toffee.

The interesting thing to know, would be when the booking was first put into Chris Harris's diary. I'd wager it was several weeks ago!

I can understand the Alex one to an extent. But i don't think  that is the case. I could be wrong of course. With  other 2 options why not be truthful, no one could blame him for any really. 

The mind boggles.

[noaksey]

2 hours ago, 1 valve said:

Why (if you are referring to the Laguta case) do you think that?
There is a a statutory rule banning riders for 7 days who present a medical note relating to a none speedway illness.
Laguta is not due to ride in UK for 7 days so no meetings missed - other than the Wolves fixture which is "explained" by the medical note.  

Clearly this particular rule needs to be amended and instead of a 7 day ban which may cover no meetings it should be a certain number of matches regardless of when they are ridden as per the football disciplinary process

[Big Al]

2 minutes ago, noaksey said:

Clearly this particular rule needs to be amended and instead of a 7 day ban which may cover no meetings it should be a certain number of matches regardless of when they are ridden as per the football disciplinary process

I don't agree, because that would entail a rider being unduly penalised for being ill and lead to unfair situations. 7 days is a reasonable time to use, to allow recovery, but obviously there will be instances of more severe illnesses which require extension of that time.

The use of the word "ban" is generally overdone and used inappropriately. A ban is something imposed when someone has broken a rule or regulation.

Being ill isn't doing anything unlawful (except on occasions when it's done fraudulently or to gain unfair advantage, but even then, proving it is difficult).

[bellevueace]

4 hours ago, 1 valve said:

Why (if you are referring to the Laguta case) do you think that?
There is a a statutory rule banning riders for 7 days who present a medical note relating to a none speedway illness.
Laguta is not due to ride in UK for 7 days so no meetings missed - other than the Wolves fixture which is "explained" by the medical note.  

I would question the validity of many of these medical notes where a rider is injured one day and rides the next, i doubt any rider would struggle to obtain one, the SCB need to amend the rule, but with many other decisions theyve taken apart from a disregard of the fans they just makes the sport look ridiculous, hence the lack of mainstream interest from media sources and sponsors.

Edited June 28, 2023 by bellevueace

[Lord Skid]

5 hours ago, Flappy said:

Yes punish him 

Try punishing your boss and see what happens.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

Wonder what would happen if there was no guest facilities.... 

[Hackett]

31 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said:

Wonder what would happen if there was no guest facilities.... 

Buster would save money.