Ryan555 Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Probably because Lambert was last in heat 15? But Lambert had scored more points on the night and was very close to making a pass in heat 15 unfortunately Jake seemed to be struggling for pace all night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ryan555 said: But Lambert had scored more points on the night and was very close to making a pass in heat 15 unfortunately Jake seemed to be struggling for pace all night I didn't say Lambert shouldn't have been in heat 16, just offering a reason why he wasn't picked Edited July 1, 2023 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Paul Johnson said: What are the rules of the super heat? can it be the same riders as heat 15?  seemed a bit funny both teams changing a rider as everyone around us said "same 4 i quess" but i wouldnt have gone with Allen unless he was the only one willing to do it...for me heat 14 was the race of the season Any rider can take part. 4-3-2-0 scoring system (same as the Pairs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: Do you know if anyone was asked? Most riders would not turn down a guest booking. On a Friday night at Scunthorpe against the Oxford top three. I'd say most riders would turn it down unless you're offering stupid money guarantees. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 A fantastic meeting - well done to Scunthorpe for producing such a brilliant race track. However...as an Oxford fan, I should be pleased with the outcome after the 'superheat'. But I just can't get used to the stupidity of the idea. For one thing, what's wrong with a draw? It would have been a fair result. But to have another heat - where the object of the 'race' is not to win, but to avoid coming last - is just absurd. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chairboy said: A fantastic meeting - well done to Scunthorpe for producing such a brilliant race track. However...as an Oxford fan, I should be pleased with the outcome after the 'superheat'. But I just can't get used to the stupidity of the idea. For one thing, what's wrong with a draw? It would have been a fair result. But to have another heat - where the object of the 'race' is not to win, but to avoid coming last - is just absurd. I agree...another daft rule that only speedway could come up with. Edited July 1, 2023 by steve roberts 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chairboy said: A fantastic meeting - well done to Scunthorpe for producing such a brilliant race track. However...as an Oxford fan, I should be pleased with the outcome after the 'superheat'. But I just can't get used to the stupidity of the idea. For one thing, what's wrong with a draw? It would have been a fair result. But to have another heat - where the object of the 'race' is not to win, but to avoid coming last - is just absurd. Glad I am not the only one who thinks Superheats are just a waste of time and additional expense. We should have 3 points for each match, win 3, draw home team 1 and away team 2, lose 0. Letâs make it simple, their is nothing wrong with a draw. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Chairboy said: A fantastic meeting - well done to Scunthorpe for producing such a brilliant race track. However...as an Oxford fan, I should be pleased with the outcome after the 'superheat'. But I just can't get used to the stupidity of the idea. For one thing, what's wrong with a draw? It would have been a fair result. But to have another heat - where the object of the 'race' is not to win, but to avoid coming last - is just absurd. I couldn't agree more. The super-fluous heat is an invention by or for TV. But then to use a race formula which means the race winner can end up on the losing side is debatable for the faithful and downright bemusing for new comers and prospective new fans. So we're using this arguably confusing mechanism to decide results and in part, to advertise our sport. I'm tempted to say that you couldn't make it up, but that's not true. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Cracking meeting with both teams taking points, which both deserved IMO. No 'victory' parade after the super heat thou, disappointing for  fans of both teams   As an Oxford fan, was happy to see Allen selected over Lambert in the super heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: I agree...another daft rule that only speedway could come up with. Ice Hockey had shoot-outs, as did US "soccer" in its day, so nothing new in it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hilly said: Cracking meeting with both teams taking points, which both deserved IMO. No 'victory' parade after the super heat thou, disappointing for  fans of both teams   As an Oxford fan, was happy to see Allen selected over Lambert in the super heat. How do you have a victory parade where no one won? 10 minutes ago, StevePark said: Ice Hockey had shoot-outs, as did US "soccer" in its day, so nothing new in it at all. Cricket have a super over in the 20/20 world cup as well. Though someone does have to win that! Edited July 1, 2023 by lisa-colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, StevePark said: Ice Hockey had shoot-outs, as did US "soccer" in its day, so nothing new in it at all. Yes I was forgetting Ice Hockey having been an avid fan of Oxford City "Stars" back in the 80's. It's an American "thing" that someone has to be seen as the winners. Our friends from across the pond can't conceive the idea that a draw is a fair outcome but, then again, they have problems connecting with cricket and its rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Would not be better if you have a Super Heat for it to be a Match Race between 2 riders.The winner then wins it for his Team.    3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 It'd be even more entertaining if each team had to nominate a Member of their Management team or Track Staff to do the race 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Meeting of the British Speedway season - will be hard to top. Close meeting, superb racing and it came down to a Superheat. British Speedway bosses are often criticised, but this is a great innovation - and gives fans an extra exciting race for their money. Who would complain about that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Would not be better if you have a Super Heat for it to be a Match Race between 2 riders.The winner then wins it for his Team.    If a winner has to be the outcome I think that's a better option...never did like the 4 3 2 0 scoring system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 15 hours ago, lisa-colette said:  Gifted their rivals one though. Who knows how that will affect final table. Could be the difference between first and second. They should have held on to a six point lead against a 5 man team? Heeps lost a lot of points by the sound of it. You could, also, say Allen lost a lot of points too & Jenkins gained a few but that is the nature of our track. Multi racing lines, not many "ftg" races & no need to fill in your programme after the first 2 bends. As many have complained about the coverage by Eurosport in that the cameras only seem to follow the leader, it would be a waste of time them coming to the EWR as you need to follow ALL of the racing. It is not about winning races but the lower places can be decisive too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 13 hours ago, foreverblue said: Do you know if anyone was asked? Most riders would not turn down a guest booking. A couple of Poole riders could have had the opportunity to ride at Glasgow last Friday to test set ups & racing lines especially as they were due there yesterday, even though it was called off. They could, also, have guested last night. Gilkes was another name that I heard mentioned in the crowd although he is riding in Poland today(so is Douglas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: A couple of Poole riders could have had the opportunity to ride at Glasgow last Friday to test set ups & racing lines especially as they were due there yesterday, even though it was called off. They could, also, have guested last night. Gilkes was another name that I heard mentioned in the crowd although he is riding in Poland today(so is Douglas). Gilkes flew out to Poland early Friday morning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 15 hours ago, scunny1 said: As predicted Masters has a decent meeting and Rider Replacement cost us dear. Hindsight is wonderful but a guest was the obvious choice with no other teams riding tonight. Why was Jake in the super heat instead of Lambo? All night he was under powered and going backwards down the straights-another Manager dubious decision. Another lesson not learned from, especially after going down to 5 men last Friday at Glasgow. We know Rob pays his riders on time so is it a monetary issue in getting guests with the amount Rob pays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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