Haza Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said: Speedway as a sport in the UK is in planned, managed, decline. I think you are correct- why else would you take a great sport in the 70-80and 90s and basically run it into the ground and year on year weaken the product to cut costs rather than trying to sort out why crowds have dwindled and actually promoting the sport -the saying it’s not over till the fat lady sings well she’s warming up ready to start singing . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Anybody else find the new team manager’s interview on Eurosport really awkward watching? He basically said the riders were trying their hearts out so it wasn’t their fault, before backing himself into the corner and out right saying it’s not the management’s fault and they don’t ride the bikes so the riders are to blame… before then slamming Alex Brady well and truly under the bus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 39 minutes ago, Wolfsbane said: Speedway as a sport in the UK is in planned, managed, decline. Decline - yes Managed - well sort of Planned- think that's a stretch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Haza said: I think you are correct- why else would you take a great sport in the 70-80and 90s and basically run it into the ground and year on year weaken the product to cut costs rather than trying to sort out why crowds have dwindled and actually promoting the sport -the saying it’s not over till the fat lady sings well she’s warming up ready to start singing . Too many deluded promoters unfortunately.. Heads buried in the sand when things started to unravel.. Misguidedly believing that "their version" of Speedway still had some relevance and kudos.. The FIM comps expanded and Poland took over, but instead of accepting this, they ended up doing a "halfway house" thing of keeping the same level of riders who invariably didnt turn up as they were elsewhere pursuing individual ambitions.. Hence "guestfests" took over.. Hence any credibility it had was lost.. Hence fans left the stadiums in droves.. Many of these fans though still follow the sport closely, but just cannot justify paying over twenty quid regularly to watch it live.. And as crowds dropped off, inflation busting price increases were the only mechanic used to balance the books, rather than cutting costs on payroll.. Hence crowds dropped even further.. Even now, as we see today, promoters are still pretending that their sport is a "professional one" even though crowds in many places suggest it is no more than a "North West Counties Football League" semi pro level, (my lad plays in it and his team get around 600 to 900 a match). They get paid, but no one gets more than £100.. The majority of riders doubling up and down to remain as a pro... And guests, guests and more guests to allow riders to earn even more money to remain as a pro.. And all it does is devalue the very product you are trying to sell... Covid gave them a perfect platform for reset and radicalisation.. They didnt take it... You can only presume that not doing anything radical, or resetting the operating model, it sums up how they must view what they do.. "All good here".... Edited June 27, 2023 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Ouch! KL only scored 10 points if you take that every team starts with a given 15 as a minimum.. Guest Nick Morris (7) and top KL scorer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Najjer said: Anybody else find the new team manager’s interview on Eurosport really awkward watching? He basically said the riders were trying their hearts out so it wasn’t their fault, before backing himself into the corner and out right saying it’s not the management’s fault and they don’t ride the bikes so the riders are to blame… before then slamming Alex Brady well and truly under the bus. I thought he rambled a bit. Can't be easy being interviewed straight after losing your first meting by 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Not a great result for the Wolves averages with an eye to next year, but at the moment we don't know if there will be a next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfingers Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Najjer said: Anybody else find the new team manager’s interview on Eurosport really awkward watching? He basically said the riders were trying their hearts out so it wasn’t their fault, before backing himself into the corner and out right saying it’s not the management’s fault and they don’t ride the bikes so the riders are to blame… before then slamming Alex Brady well and truly under the bus. I think you were watching a different interview to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Nick Morris aside that was pretty bad wasn't it! No-one likes to see those kind of results, even Wolves fans as it would have been pretty dull I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Too many deluded promoters unfortunately.. Heads buried in the sand when things started to unravel.. Misguidedly believing that "their version" of Speedway still had some relevance and kudos.. The FIM comps expanded and Poland took over, but instead of accepting this, they ended up doing a "halfway house" thing of keeping the same level of riders who invariably didnt turn up as they were elsewhere pursuing individual ambitions.. Hence "guestfests" took over.. Hence any credibility it had was lost.. Hence fans left the stadiums in droves.. Lagutagate is a perfect example of this, if and I stress the word IF (the source(s) reporting this are generally right with stuff), the news that he's been signed by a "promoter" and isn't riding the "small" tracks smacks of complete self interest. Yes, great for your home crowd but you have to have a team to ride against and if you're effecting other clubs crowds by agreeing to such a deal you're doing the sport no good as a whole... these clubs should effectively be working as a co-op. Is it any surprise that the 2 clubs in a mess this season are (were) run by an estate agent and a used car salesman... tells you all you need to know. Edited June 27, 2023 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Nick Morris aside that was pretty bad wasn't it! No-one likes to see those kind of results, even Wolves fans as it would have been pretty dull I reckon. did look to be some decent racing though, from what I saw on Eurosport, if you watched it as pure Speedway and took away any context of "teams" competing against each other it didn't look so bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Harris was an awful guest. Think he should lose his 'good at Monmore' tag! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, iainb said: Lagutagate is a perfect example of this, if and I stress the word IF (the source(s) reporting this are generally right with stuff), the news that he's been signed by a "promoter" and isn't riding the "small" tracks" smacks of complete self interest. Yes, great for your home crowd but you have to have a team to ride against and if you're effecting other clubs crowds by agreeing to such a deal you're doing the sport no good as a whole... these clubs should effectively be working as a co-op. Is it any surprise that the 2 clubs in a mess this season are (were) run by an estate agent and a used car salesman... tells you all you need to know. They often talk of "working together", but seldom seem to do so.. As you say "Speedway Co-op" has to be the way forward... With one independent head of it to be the final arbiter of what is a fit for purpose operating model.. They have a unique product which can give fantastic entertainment, yet seem to want to commit 'Hara Kiri' in the way they run it... Truly baffling.... Edit : Even more baffling is that not one single promoter ever comes out and says "Do you know what, this isnt right, and we cannot ever hope to succeed doing the same thing".. Not even the more progressive ones like Louis and Lemon... Meaning that they must all be happy I presume.. Edited June 27, 2023 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, iainb said: did look to be some decent racing though, from what I saw on Eurosport, if you watched it as pure Speedway and took away any context of "teams" competing against each other it didn't look so bad You can yes, I haven't seen any of the races apart from about 1-2 that were shown on TV during the Panthers BV meeting, however the repetitive nature of the the results will negate the fact for me one or two home riders came from the back to win races each time. At. least they picked the right match for the TV coverage last night. Edited June 27, 2023 by GeneralMelchett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GeneralMelchett said: You can yes, I haven't seen any of the races apart from about 1-2 that were shown on TV during the Panthers BV meeting, however the repetitive nature of the the results will negate the fact for me one or two home riders came from the back to win races each time. At. least they picked the right match for the TV coverage last night. Oh as a team match it was total garbage... but as pure speedway, didn't look to be too bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 4:19 PM, chun said: away win Don't get doing the lottery this weekend. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crusader Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 37 minutes ago, mikebv said: They often talk of "working together", but seldom seem to do so.. As you say "Speedway Co-op" has to be the way forward... With one independent head of it to be the final arbiter of what is a fit for purpose operating model.. They have a unique product which can give fantastic entertainment, yet seem to want to commit 'Hara Kiri' in the way they run it... Truly baffling.... Edit : Even more baffling is that not one single promoter ever comes out and says "Do you know what, this isnt right, and we cannot ever hope to succeed doing the same thing".. Not even the more progressive ones like Louis and Lemon... Meaning that they must all be happy I presume.. Isle of white promotion team? 38 minutes ago, mikebv said: They often talk of "working together", but seldom seem to do so.. As you say "Speedway Co-op" has to be the way forward... With one independent head of it to be the final arbiter of what is a fit for purpose operating model.. They have a unique product which can give fantastic entertainment, yet seem to want to commit 'Hara Kiri' in the way they run it... Truly baffling.... Edit : Even more baffling is that not one single promoter ever comes out and says "Do you know what, this isnt right, and we cannot ever hope to succeed doing the same thing".. Not even the more progressive ones like Louis and Lemon... Meaning that they must all be happy I presume.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, mikebv said: They often talk of "working together", but seldom seem to do so.. As you say "Speedway Co-op" has to be the way forward... With one independent head of it to be the final arbiter of what is a fit for purpose operating model.. They have a unique product which can give fantastic entertainment, yet seem to want to commit 'Hara Kiri' in the way they run it... Truly baffling.... Edit : Even more baffling is that not one single promoter ever comes out and says "Do you know what, this isnt right, and we cannot ever hope to succeed doing the same thing".. Not even the more progressive ones like Louis and Lemon... Meaning that they must all be happy I presume.. When we have had new blood come into the ranks of the promoters with new ideas to take the sport forward they soon realise they are banging their heads against a brick wall. Coincidence that the Isle of Wight opted out and are putting on events that the public are praising and embracing? Edited June 27, 2023 by bellevueace 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 What an absolute disgrace Kings Lynn and Buster Chapman are. Laguta listed as injured on the weekend and a guest swiftly sorted out then he goes and rides on Sunday in Poland? Pathetic. The sport is in a dire mess and Chapman being allowed to behave how he is, fielding under strength teams week in week out at both of his clubs, is disgusting. The quicker he f***s off out the sport, the better. I think it is time that the sport had a major shake up and reformatting. Its in a dire , dire state with complete w**kers in power. Phil Morris never took any nonsense in his riding days so hopefully he has a similar attitude towards British Speedway. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Will Kings Lynn be fined for fielding an under strength team based on real PL averages of riders used plus their RS. Lambert's average is converted but is almost the same as his last real average in 2019. Leicester were the other week in the NDL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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