King’s Lynn v Sheffield 01/06/23

[SlicktrackSandy]

  On 6/2/2023 at 9:11 AM, Lynnfan91 said:

Need more changes before next week, Jakobsen and Edwards especially!... Jorgie and Tofty not far behind them though 

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[bigcatdiary]

  On 6/2/2023 at 9:34 AM, Mimmo said:

I don't know what angles BSN were showing, because I'm not into that.  But I was at the meeting, and it was a big crowd, with people queuing from the ticket office through the car park and out onto the street 15-minutes before start time, that's why the start was delayed.

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I watched the riders parade which showed the terraces as the riders went round the track, from what I saw the crowd looked dreadful, BSN showed the queues outside when it mentioned the delay, the main gate queue showed 30 at best which is why I mentioned it.

The queue seen was just in front of the ticket office and at that point didn’t extend into the car park let alone the street, this was at the published start time of 7.30pm.

 

 

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[Chris116]

  On 6/2/2023 at 6:28 AM, Bagpuss said:

Which is never going to change while Buster fills the place with stock car fans once a month.

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The Stock Cars have two dates in June, four in July and five in August! So Trackstar, who like the Speedway, rent the stadium are getting the crowds in far more than once a month.

[kevin bass]

  On 6/2/2023 at 9:11 AM, Lynnfan91 said:

Need more changes before next week, Jakobsen and Edwards especially!... Jorgie and Tofty not far behind them though 

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I was expecting Edwards to be scoring more than he is but he's still one of the better RS available i think, and tbf the ain't really many better options out there as Ipi are finding having Thompson as their RS and pretty much not recording more than the odd point at best most meetings.

[Col]

  On 6/1/2023 at 8:06 PM, iainb said:

How's Laguta been doing in Poland?

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4th in Ekstraliga Averages behind Madsen, Sayfutdinov & Zmarzlik.

[orion]

  On 6/2/2023 at 8:09 AM, tellboy said:

Don't think the signing makes the team poorer,Laguta is a class rider and Kye certainly done his bit,it was the remaining ones that let everyone down by putting in an even poorer display than they normally do.

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I do ..the old team was a lot stronger and could at least win at home..this side is going to get smashed home and away ..Weak reserves now as well .

[tellboy]

  On 6/2/2023 at 11:24 AM, orion said:

I do ..the old team was a lot stronger and could at least win at home..this side is going to get smashed home and away ..Weak reserves now as well .

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Granted you would expect Pickering to be better than Kye,but on the other hand Laguta will be better than KK.So i don't think the old team is a lot stronger.Imo Pickering will be back when fully fit too.

[sandking072]

  On 6/2/2023 at 6:58 AM, Mimmo said:

I couldn't hear single one. Unfortunatlty, Kevin for the most part was giving them when their was bike noise, plus he tends to let his voice drop when he gets to the winning times.
But, he's had to step into Edwin's shoes, without doing this job on a regular basis, so hopefully will get better from that point of view, as time passes.    

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Thank you very much anyway. 

[B.V 72]

  On 6/2/2023 at 10:28 AM, kevin bass said:

I was expecting Edwards to be scoring more than he is but he's still one of the better RS available i think, and tbf the ain't really many better options out there as Ipi are finding having Thompson as their RS and pretty much not recording more than the odd point at best most meetings.

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That is a big problem for British league speedway we have produced the big 2 Bewley and (Lambert who chooses not to ride over here ). but since Ellis (27) and the 30 ish  plus brits Worrals. Wright Lawson etc. Brennan is the only rider i.m.o who seems to be showing any real promise of reaching Prem league heat leader status,and from what i can see most of the young riders out there look no better than Champ league level at best .If this is the case what happens when the 30 plus riders are past there best.

[Hawk127]

  On 6/2/2023 at 12:09 PM, B.V 72 said:

That is a big problem for British league speedway we have produced the big 2 Bewley and (Lambert who chooses not to ride over here ). but since Ellis (27) and the 30 ish  plus brits Worrals. Wright Lawson etc. Brennan is the only rider i.m.o who seems to be showing any real promise of reaching Prem league heat leader status,and from what i can see most of the young riders out there look no better than Champ league level at best .If this is the case what happens when the 30 plus riders are past there best.

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Possibly one league with clubs racing on nights that best suit them not dictated by overseas race nights.

In reality the league as it stands aspires to something it cannot possibly achieve with the real returns for high flyers being Poland therefore why does the U.K. try to compete by paying some stars top dollar (and yes the likes of Doyle etc deserve it) with a long tail in each team of second strings when in reality the sport in this country can not afford those top guys. If you look at the three top teams in the region, they would be hard pushed between them putting out a competitive team that could operate in the top Polish league. It can go one of two ways in the future, complete revamp under the BSPL or Nora. The way some clubs have been treated recently, many will need to consider what will work best for them, a dictatorship running the show or the show being run with spectators in mind.

[DizzAssStar]

  On 6/2/2023 at 11:24 AM, orion said:

I do ..the old team was a lot stronger and could at least win at home..this side is going to get smashed home and away ..Weak reserves now as well .

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Absolute rubbish .............. the "old" team lost at home to Sheffield by very nearly the same margin only 5 weeks ago!  (KK 9pts .... same as Artem & S Lambert (guest) 4pts ... same as Thomson)!

Problem with KL is Jorgensen, MPT and Jakobsen who are all massively underperforming.

[Daniel Smith]

  On 6/2/2023 at 11:43 AM, tellboy said:

Granted you would expect Pickering to be better than Kye,but on the other hand Laguta will be better than KK.So i don't think the old team is a lot stronger.Imo Pickering will be back when fully fit too.

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Don't agree, we're not getting results away with this team, and Laguta will do well to match KK's 10.40 ave at home. 

KK was required to stay along with Laguta to just get results at home. 

Ipswich are the same, they have Doyle & Sayfutdinov & still lost so for us to rely on Laguta is a big big ask at home

[Bagpuss]

  On 6/2/2023 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Smith said:

Don't agree, we're not getting results away with this team, and Laguta will do well to match KK's 10.40 ave at home. 

KK was required to stay along with Laguta to just get results at home. 

Ipswich are the same, they have Doyle & Sayfutdinov & still lost so for us to rely on Laguta is a big big ask at home

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Few things with this.....the budget was never going to stretch to both Laguta & KK. You are assuming KK would have maintained that average, it was gained from only two meetings and those were against sides without top end power. Laguta could very well average 10 at home, and him coning in at #1 allows Klindt to go into the middle order where his scores will improve. Thomsen probably won't be the strong reserve Pickering would and Jakobsen should have been but since Josh got injured we've had one good score from number six so Thomsen won't do much worse. And assuming Pickering can sort his shoulder he will improve the side in place of Jorgensen or MPT (who I feel is being exposed a little at #5). They still look unlikely to get away results but at least we might be competitive and have at least a theoretical chance of some bonus points. It also has to be taken into account just how good Sheffield are at Lynn, especially with R/R for their weakest top five member. Chalk and cheese compared to Wolves or P'boro. 

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[tellboy]

  On 6/2/2023 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Smith said:

Don't agree, we're not getting results away with this team, and Laguta will do well to match KK's 10.40 ave at home. 

KK was required to stay along with Laguta to just get results at home. 

Ipswich are the same, they have Doyle & Sayfutdinov & still lost so for us to rely on Laguta is a big big ask at home

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I agree again with Bagpuss,i have seen enough of KK at home this season to know that he wouldn't have maintained the 10.40 home average.He had bottled a few first turns when he wasn't a bike length ahead going into the first turn.Plus he was riding at 2nd string rather than a number 1.

[Daniel Smith]

  On 6/2/2023 at 1:45 PM, Bagpuss said:

Few things with this.....the budget was never going to stretch to both Laguta & KK. You are assuming KK would have maintained that average, it was gained from only two meetings and those were against sides without top end power. Laguta could very well average 10 at home, and him coning in at #1 allows Klindt to go into the middle order where his scores will improve. Thomsen probably won't be the strong reserve Pickering would and Jakobsen should have been but since Josh got injured we've had one good score from number six so Thomsen won't do much worse. And assuming Pickering can sort his shoulder he will improve the side in place of Jorgensen or MPT (who I feel is being exposed a little at #5). They still look unlikely to get away results but at least we might be competitive and have at least a theoretical chance of some bonus points. It also has to be taken into account just how good Sheffield are at Lynn, especially with R/R for their weakest top five member. Chalk and cheese compared to Wolves or P'boro. 

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That's the problem with this team, there's far to many wrongs. There's no established heatleader to handle the No5 position, the middle order isn't powerful enough against other middle orders, nobody is delivering whilst in the reserve position. 

I can't see Klindt delivering in this team. Obviously the club couldn't afford KK & Laguta but it's what's needed. When Kerr can just rock up & blow our whole team away you know there's SERIOUS problems. 

[Bagpuss]

  On 6/2/2023 at 3:07 PM, Daniel Smith said:

That's the problem with this team, there's far to many wrongs. There's no established heatleader to handle the No5 position, the middle order isn't powerful enough against other middle orders, nobody is delivering whilst in the reserve position. 

I can't see Klindt delivering in this team. Obviously the club couldn't afford KK & Laguta but it's what's needed. When Kerr can just rock up & blow our whole team away you know there's SERIOUS problems. 

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Don't disagree with too much of that. They got it badly wrong in the winter and its very difficult to rectify that once the season gets going.

[Bagpuss]

  On 6/2/2023 at 10:27 AM, Chris116 said:

The Stock Cars have two dates in June, four in July and five in August! So Trackstar, who like the Speedway, rent the stadium are getting the crowds in far more than once a month.

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Thanks, 'once a month' was just an off the cuff remark really. The point being that the stocks make the money at Lynn and because of that the shale won't change any time soon. 

[The Dog]

  On 6/2/2023 at 12:09 PM, B.V 72 said:

That is a big problem for British league speedway we have produced the big 2 Bewley and (Lambert who chooses not to ride over here ). but since Ellis (27) and the 30 ish  plus brits Worrals. Wright Lawson etc. Brennan is the only rider i.m.o who seems to be showing any real promise of reaching Prem league heat leader status,and from what i can see most of the young riders out there look no better than Champ league level at best .If this is the case what happens when the 30 plus riders are past there best.

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Great point. I guess the BSPA will just reduce the point limit further to accommodate the Championship HLs and anyone else from the NL. 

Personally, I'd go back to the days of the 49-53 point limit (late 80s I think) in an attempt to get the better riders back on higher averages. As we seem to be heading to an amateur type league, if promotion have deep pockets why not go out with a bang...! 

[orion]

  On 6/2/2023 at 12:44 PM, DizzAssStar said:

Absolute rubbish .............. the "old" team lost at home to Sheffield by very nearly the same margin only 5 weeks ago!  (KK 9pts .... same as Artem & S Lambert (guest) 4pts ... same as Thomson)!

Problem with KL is Jorgensen, MPT and Jakobsen who are all massively underperforming.

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if a fit Pickering or one of the other top 5 would have been reserve rather than lambert then the score would have been closer . From now on your just  have  weak reserves .  Riders under massively underperforming at Kl tends to be  a recurring theme i wonder why . Look at Kerr . Ask yourself why  that is  happening ?

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[Bagpuss]

  On 6/2/2023 at 6:56 PM, orion said:

if a fit Pickering or one of the other top 5 would have been reserve rather than lambert then the score would have been closer . From now on your just  have  weak reserves .  Riders under massively underperforming at Kl tends to be  a recurring theme i wonder why . Look at Kerr . Ask yourself why  that is  happening ?

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Its a good question. Something is wrong somewhere.