SpeedwayPortal Posted May 15, 2023 Report Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) TEAMS PLYMOUTH 'Gladiators' BIRMINGHAM 'Brummies' 1 : Guest/Rider Replacement ? 1 : Nick Morris 2 : Dan Gilkes 2 : Alfie Bowtell 3 : Paul Starke 3 : Paco Castagna (G) 4 : Ben Barker (C) 4 : Stefan Nielsen 5 : Richie Worrall 5 : Justin Sedgmen 6 : Lee Complin (G) 6 : Joe Thompson 7 : Ben Trigger 7 : James Pearson Predictions guys? It you are unable to make it to the stadium to watch the meeting in person, Gladiators TV are live streaming the meeting. The stream costs £11.99, with the stream starting at 6:45pm from https://www.gladiatorslive.com Edited May 15, 2023 by SpeedwayPortal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted May 15, 2023 Report Share Posted May 15, 2023 Predictions, If it's rr at No1 for Plymouth then I can't see any way that Plymouth can win this meeting, I personally think this meeting will depend on how Complin goes if he does well Plymouth win, if he struggles then The Brummies should win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 15, 2023 Report Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, heathen52 said: Predictions, If it's rr at No1 for Plymouth then I can't see any way that Plymouth can win this meeting, I personally think this meeting will depend on how Complin goes if he does well Plymouth win, if he struggles then The Brummies should win. Birmingham aren't the strongest side, so Plymouth should still win using r/r imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, heathen52 said: Predictions, If it's rr at No1 for Plymouth then I can't see any way that Plymouth can win this meeting, I personally think this meeting will depend on how Complin goes if he does well Plymouth win, if he struggles then The Brummies should win. We'll be lucky to keep it respectable ! Edited May 16, 2023 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 8 hours ago, heathen52 said: Predictions, If it's rr at No1 for Plymouth then I can't see any way that Plymouth can win this meeting, I personally think this meeting will depend on how Complin goes if he does well Plymouth win, if he struggles then The Brummies should win. Great opportunity for Bowtell to leave a reminder..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Is Turners injury longer term or just sore from last week? Certainly not worth a risk on a night when the Gladiators could be competitive at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 What's on James Wright's new sick note? "Anxiety"? Presumably at the prospect of visiting the track where he got himself injured at the start of the season? The fans were assured that he was fit and would be racing again tomorrow, but instead, we have Paco in as a guest. Nothing against Paco, per se, but just how do these "facility" rules work for a rider who has not ridden a race for the club this year or even featured in a team photo yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 So a rider wants to return from injury to racing on his home track first!? Nothing wrong with that............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 This might be the best chance we have of a win so far. I'm hopeful of a 46 to 44 with Morra and Sedge nicking it over the last few heats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: So a rider wants to return from injury to racing on his home track first!? Nothing wrong with that............... The guy is fit. We've been told that. So, what you've described would be the definition of "withholding his services" which would qualify for a facility, and a 28-day ban, whilst the facility continues. So that's how they've done it. Cool wheeze LR! All in the best interests of British Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 It's one that has always puzzled me to be honest. Not sure you can be unfit one night and fit the next. Good old British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: It's one that has always puzzled me to be honest. Not sure you can be unfit one night and fit the next. Good old British Speedway. Doctors certificate till Wed would be my answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Or maybe some people who knows better, should keep quiet on certain things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, uk_martin said: The guy is fit. We've been told that. So, what you've described would be the definition of "withholding his services" which would qualify for a facility, and a 28-day ban, whilst the facility continues. So that's how they've done it. Cool wheeze LR! All in the best interests of British Speedway. Birmingham got a similar benefit last season, once Vissing left & the 28 day "withholding his services" ban ended, they just carried on with guests & r/r, whereas Leicester had to sign a replacement for Rowe when he left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 hours ago, uk_martin said: What's on James Wright's new sick note? "Anxiety"? Presumably at the prospect of visiting the track where he got himself injured at the start of the season? The fans were assured that he was fit and would be racing again tomorrow, but instead, we have Paco in as a guest. Nothing against Paco, per se, but just how do these "facility" rules work for a rider who has not ridden a race for the club this year or even featured in a team photo yet? If that's the case what's wrong with it? Lots of people go off work with anxiety, why would a Speedway rider be treated shy differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Birmingham got a similar benefit last season, once Vissing left & the 28 day "withholding his services" ban ended, they just carried on with guests & r/r, whereas Leicester had to sign a replacement for Rowe when he left! And you wonder why the sport is going to pot? The people who make the rules, bend the rules, ignore the bending of the rules, or just go AWOL when they are needed to enforce the rules...except of course when it's in the best interests of British Speedway. 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: If that's the case what's wrong with it? Lots of people go off work with anxiety, why would a Speedway rider be treated shy differently? Nothing wrong with it. Never said there was. But it's potentially career threatening if it's the case. How can anyone be trusted to race properly again if they have an anxiety attack going into the first bend? In any case, it's just speculation. All we know is that his original 28-day doctors note has run out...he was declared fit and we were told by one of the co-directors on this forum that he'll be racing this Wednesday (tomorrow). And now he isn't. Now on another thread, Heathen52 and Arnieg combined to conclude that after 28-days, a "facility" runs out, and in the absence of a facility a guest of no more than 75% of Wright's CMA can be used. (sort of a "facility lite") but is Paco's average really only 75% that of Wright? It wasn't the last time I looked. Or are the people who make and enforce the rules on holiday again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, uk_martin said: And you wonder why the sport is going to pot? The people who make the rules, bend the rules, ignore the bending of the rules, or just go AWOL when they are needed to enforce the rules...except of course when it's in the best interests of British Speedway. Nothing wrong with it. Never said there was. But it's potentially career threatening if it's the case. How can anyone be trusted to race properly again if they have an anxiety attack going into the first bend? In any case, it's just speculation. All we know is that his original 28-day doctors note has run out...he was declared fit and we were told by one of the co-directors on this forum that he'll be racing this Wednesday (tomorrow). And now he isn't. Now on another thread, Heathen52 and Arnieg combined to conclude that after 28-days, a "facility" runs out, and in the absence of a facility a guest of no more than 75% of Wright's CMA can be used. (sort of a "facility lite") but is Paco's average really only 75% that of Wright? It wasn't the last time I looked. Or are the people who make and enforce the rules on holiday again? I thought he was riding tomorrow at Brum and it was just today he wasn't going to be riding at Plymouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: I thought he was riding tomorrow at Brum and it was just today he wasn't going to be riding at Plymouth? Wright was injured on 4th April. His 28-day doctors note expired over a week ago. And the "facility" expired with it. Yes we were told he was fit and will be riding tomorrow (Wednesday) So why isn't he racing today? If it's known about some days ago that he's fit to go, then he'll be no less fit today than he will be tomorrow. So why isn't he going to turn up? And nobody is telling the fans anything. Something isn't right. And it's the fans who are being made fools of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Wright was injured on 4th April. His 28-day doctors note expired over a week ago. And the "facility" expired with it. Yes we were told he was fit and will be riding tomorrow (Wednesday) So why isn't he racing today? If it's known about some days ago that he's fit to go, then he'll be no less fit today than he will be tomorrow. So why isn't he going to turn up? And nobody is telling the fans anything. Something isn't right. And it's the fans who are being made fools of. When does the 28 day facility begin though? Birmingham's first official fixture was 19th April, Is it possible the 28 day facility started then? It would have been pointless for Birmingham to be using a faculty before their season started! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Paul Starke and RR have cost Plymouth massively here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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