Plymouth vs Oxford TODAY!! (18/04/23) BSN series

[Mike0310]

3 hours ago, mc131 said:

He dropped 4 points I'd hardly say he's a worry 

That’s two meetings now and he hasn’t won a race on the flip side I saw Scott Nichols tonight who is still quality on and off the track.

[Ghosty]

14 hours ago, Bellers101 said:

Not an unsurprising result as Plymouth will struggle if their top 4 don't bring their A game to the table at the same time. I think Poole will win comfortably tomorrow night.

This was a very entertaining meeting with the team neck 'n neck until the last 2 heats. The refereeing however was simply abysmal examples being Gilks was left @ the start in heat 1 & then excluded in a later heat when skittled off by Kerr on the first bend. Oxford did well to win but were a 8 man team with the addition of the referee.

Please get this referee more training or a visit to speck savers or both!

[LisaColette]

Watching the Garry May interview on YT, he said Jake practiced a lot at the track on Saturday and has also spent 1k on equipment. Seems to have paid off! 

[Halifaxtiger]

On 4/19/2023 at 11:34 AM, Ghosty said:

This was a very entertaining meeting with the team neck 'n neck until the last 2 heats. The refereeing however was simply abysmal examples being Gilks was left @ the start in heat 1 & then excluded in a later heat when skittled off by Kerr on the first bend. Oxford did well to win but were a 8 man team with the addition of the referee.

Please get this referee more training or a visit to speck savers or both!

I thought Gilkes was harshly excluded in heat 6. Kerr didn't make contact but if Gilkes hadn't turned hard he would have. All four back for me. 

I also thought Barker was slightly disappointing - especially when he threw away the lead in heat 14 - while Turner was impressive in his first competitive rides at SBA. 

It was somewhat fortunate that the rain (which had not been predicted anywhere) fell because initially the track was a dustbowl. The amount that came down was just enough to make the surface fit for good racing without ever looking like causing an abandonment.

On a final note, I thought the crowd was poor. 

[Jonnybegood]

2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I thought Gilkes was harshly excluded in heat 6. Kerr didn't make contact but if Gilkes hadn't turned hard he would have. All four back for me. 

I also thought Barker was slightly disappointing - especially when he threw away the lead in heat 14 - while Turner was impressive in his first competitive rides at SBA. 

It was somewhat fortunate that the rain (which had not been predicted anywhere) fell because initially the track was a dustbowl. The amount that came down was just enough to make the surface fit for good racing without ever looking like causing an abandonment.

On a final note, I thought the crowd was poor. 

I heard the promotor say he had to hold of watering due to the black clouds , light watering after heat 2 , then the rain started . Great job done to ensure the meeting ran . The crowd was poor as was the updates , where was Greenlander ?

[SteveLyric2]

3 hours ago, Jonnybegood said:

I heard the promotor say he had to hold of watering due to the black clouds , light watering after heat 2 , then the rain started . Great job done to ensure the meeting ran . The crowd was poor as was the updates , where was Greenlander ?

I did hear from a very reliable source that the attendance was very poor - less than 500!!  Maybe its the psychological £20 barrier?

[LisaColette]

5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

I did hear from a very reliable source that the attendance was very poor - less than 500!!  Maybe its the psychological £20 barrier?

That's crazy as vs Oxford it looks a really competitive meeting as both top heavy! If i lived in the area i would have gone just for H2 and H13!! Were Plymouth football team playing that night?

[HGould]

Do feel sorry for Plymouth Speedway that the local Soccer Team is one of the most progressive outside top 2 tiers and likely to go up to Championship and the Basketball Team doing well too. 

If footy team do go up likely to sell 20,000 season tickets and have massive local media interest. 

No idea what Plymouth break even is but hopefully their crowd builds up as it warms  up weather wise. 

I do wonder if Saturdays may work for them in summer months especially with no footy? Also they streamed every meeting last year and is that counter productive and made some walk up support a bit lazy? .

A group of 3 adults is 60 quid through gate yet probably a fiver profit from stream. A hundred like that is £1500 from your top line before they've had food and drink every meeting. 

[Halifaxtiger]

22 hours ago, Jonnybegood said:

I heard the promotor say he had to hold of watering due to the black clouds , light watering after heat 2 , then the rain started . Great job done to ensure the meeting ran . The crowd was poor as was the updates , where was Greenlander ?

Presumably the 'black clouds' had been around all day, because it was clear that the amount of water put on the track prior to heat 1 was hopelessly inadequate. Certainly no weather forecast anywhere said rain so I could not understand why not. 

It seems to me what you are saying is that Mark Phillips said 'I will hold off watering due to the black clouds, but I'll just go out now and water the track'. 

Who waters the track when they are reasonably convinced rain is coming ??

The way I saw it, Phillips was very, very lucky indeed. 

19 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

I did hear from a very reliable source that the attendance was very poor - less than 500!!  Maybe its the psychological £20 barrier?

Maybe they saw the 'black clouds' too ?? To be fair, I paid £18. 

19 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

That's crazy as vs Oxford it looks a really competitive meeting as both top heavy! If i lived in the area i would have gone just for H2 and H13!! Were Plymouth football team playing that night?

Argyle were away last Tuesday. They are at home next Tuesday. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Halifaxtiger

[lewy]

14 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Presumably the 'black clouds' had been around all day, because it was clear that the amount of water put on the track prior to heat 1 was hopelessly inadequate. Certainly no weather forecast anywhere said rain so I could not understand why not. 

It seems to me what you are saying is that Mark Phillips said 'I will hold off watering due to the black clouds, but I'll just go out now and water the track'. 

Who waters the track when they are reasonably convinced rain is coming ??

The way I saw it, Phillips was very, very lucky indeed. 

Maybe they saw the 'black clouds' too ?? To be fair, I paid £18. 

Argyle were away last Tuesday. They are at home next Tuesday. 

The way I saw it is mark Phillips made the right call with regards to the track prep, whether it was luck or not it was correct!

[The Cheese]

20 hours ago, HGould said:

Do feel sorry for Plymouth Speedway that the local Soccer Team is one of the most progressive outside top 2 tiers and likely to go up to Championship and the Basketball Team doing well too. 

If footy team do go up likely to sell 20,000 season tickets and have massive local media interest. 

No idea what Plymouth break even is but hopefully their crowd builds up as it warms  up weather wise. 

I do wonder if Saturdays may work for them in summer months especially with no footy? Also they streamed every meeting last year and is that counter productive and made some walk up support a bit lazy? .

A group of 3 adults is 60 quid through gate yet probably a fiver profit from stream. A hundred like that is £1500 from your top line before they've had food and drink every meeting. 

I think it's rather unlikely they'll manage to sell 20k season tickets with a ground that has a 17k capacity.

[Jonnybegood]

7 hours ago, The Cheese said:

I think it's rather unlikely they'll manage to sell 20k season tickets with a ground that has a 17k capacity.

It is looking very likely that Plymouth Argyle will get promotion , the council has given them ground for a bigger stadium , and apparently the Gladiators will be able to take over their current stadium as long as they are able to provide argyle with a quality training pitch for Argyle . Fingers crossed