Beirao Posted April 16, 2023 Report Share Posted April 16, 2023 April's edition is now on line and features Scottish Pirates - the rather fanciful attempts to form a breakaway league in the early 50s Cycle Speedway Graduates - the riders who started their careers on pedals Exeter - My Favourite Away Track - I loved my times at The County Ground Big Birthdays -more cake and candles for landmark celebrations Anyone Remember No 5 - our monthly meander down Memory Lane https://classicspeedwaymemories.webador.co.uk/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 4/16/2023 at 8:14 AM, Beirao said: April's edition is now on line and features Scottish Pirates - the rather fanciful attempts to form a breakaway league in the early 50s Cycle Speedway Graduates - the riders who started their careers on pedals Exeter - My Favourite Away Track - I loved my times at The County Ground Big Birthdays -more cake and candles for landmark celebrations Anyone Remember No 5 - our monthly meander down Memory Lane https://classicspeedwaymemories.webador.co.uk/ When I saw "Scottish Pirates" I thought it might be a reference to Ross Gilbertson who once appeared for Scotland. When I approached him as he was going into the pits at New Cross and asked him if he had Scottish ancestry, he simply replied "och aye." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, Split said: When I saw "Scottish Pirates" I thought it might be a reference to Ross Gilbertson who once appeared for Scotland. Not strictly true. He rode in three tests against England in 1964, and against the Soviet Union the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 4/16/2023 at 8:14 AM, Beirao said: April's edition is now on line and features Scottish Pirates - the rather fanciful attempts to form a breakaway league in the early 50s Cycle Speedway Graduates - the riders who started their careers on pedals Exeter - My Favourite Away Track - I loved my times at The County Ground Big Birthdays -more cake and candles for landmark celebrations Anyone Remember No 5 - our monthly meander down Memory Lane https://classicspeedwaymemories.webador.co.uk/ You have left out my cousin Martin Elliott who started out riding for South London and also captained Scotland cycle speedway team, and later went on to ride for Wimbledon Dons. Bit obscure, so i forgive you for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted April 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 17 hours ago, iris123 said: You have left out my cousin Martin Elliott who started out riding for South London and also captained Scotland cycle speedway team, and later went on to ride for Wimbledon Dons. Bit obscure, so i forgive you for that Intrigued to hear about Martin. Did he ride for South London Rangers and if so when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Beirao said: Intrigued to hear about Martin. Did he ride for South London Rangers and if so when. Yes. Rode for South London Rangers. I know he rode for Scotland in 1991. He then rode for the Dons in their revival around 2005 ish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 On 4/17/2023 at 3:20 PM, chunky said: Not strictly true. He rode in three tests against England in 1964, and against the Soviet Union the following year. Scotland Vs. Soviet Union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Split said: Scotland Vs. Soviet Union? Yep. It was 10th July at Meadowbank. The programme says Scotland vs "Russia", but it's listed on the international speedway website as "Soviet Union". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, chunky said: Yep. It was 10th July at Meadowbank. The programme says Scotland vs "Russia", but it's listed on the international speedway website as "Soviet Union". Given at least one of the team was not Russian (Latosinski) I would go with USSR/Soviet Union Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, arnieg said: Given at least one of the team was not Russian (Latosinski) I would go with USSR/Soviet Union I don't disagree at all, and honestly, progs never were the most accurate source of information! Of course, back then, western Europeans really didn't know the difference - particularly speedway fans - and the two terms were often interchangeable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 22, 2023 Report Share Posted April 22, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: Given at least one of the team was not Russian (Latosinski) I would go with USSR/Soviet Union From memory I seem to recall that the 1974 Test Series held in the UK some programmes labelled them as Russia whilst others the USSR/Soviet Union? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 15 hours ago, steve roberts said: From memory I seem to recall that the 1974 Test Series held in the UK some programmes labelled them as Russia whilst others the USSR/Soviet Union? That wouldn't surprise me at all! Then there was the term "Soviet Russia"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 hours ago, chunky said: That wouldn't surprise me at all! Then there was the term "Soviet Russia"... In the beginning there was Russia, well at least from the 14th century. Russia gained an empire. Following the 1917 revolution there was Soviet Russia, from 1918 until 1922, otherwise called the Russian Soviet Republic. In 1922 a group of national republics formed a federal union with its capital in Moscow. The proper title of the federation was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which lasted until 1991. Any ‘national’ speedway or other sporting team during this period should properly have been called U.S.S.R., not Russia or Soviet Russia, although Soviet Union was acceptable as an alternative. By the time the Baltic States had been annexed in June 1940 the U.S.S.R. comprised Armenia, Azerbaijan, Byelorussia (also called White Russia and now Belorus), Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kirgizia (now Kyrgystan), Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia (now Moldova), Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan. With the dissolution of the U.S.S.R. in 1991 the constituent members became countries in their own right, including the Russian Federation, with its capital in Moscow. My A-level geography teacher was a lucky (and foolish) man as he took photographs/slides of sites across the U.S.S.R. from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) in the west to Vladivostok in the east without being caught. He was able to show them in school lessons a lifetime ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, BL65 said: In the beginning there was Russia, well at least from the 14th century. Russia gained an empire. Following the 1917 revolution there was Soviet Russia, from 1918 until 1922, otherwise called the Russian Soviet Republic. In 1922 a group of national republics formed a federal union with its capital in Moscow. The proper title of the federation was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which lasted until 1991. Any ‘national’ speedway or other sporting team during this period should properly have been called U.S.S.R., not Russia or Soviet Russia, although Soviet Union was acceptable as an alternative. By the time the Baltic States had been annexed in June 1940 the U.S.S.R. comprised Armenia, Azerbaijan, Byelorussia (also called White Russia and now Belorus), Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kirgizia (now Kyrgystan), Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia (now Moldova), Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan. With the dissolution of the U.S.S.R. in 1991 the constituent members became countries in their own right, including the Russian Federation, with its capital in Moscow. My A-level geography teacher was a lucky (and foolish) man as he took photographs/slides of sites across the U.S.S.R. from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) in the west to Vladivostok in the east without being caught. He was able to show them in school lessons a lifetime ago. Oh, I get it! As I said, uneducated westerners would often be unaware of the differences (and don't even get me started on the American confusion regarding the Netherlands and Denmark), and of course, even dear old Dave Lanning would refer to them as "Russkies". Edited April 24, 2023 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, chunky said: Oh, I get it! As I said, uneducated westerners would often be unaware of the differences (and don't even get me started on the American confusion regarding the Netherlands and Denmark), and of course, even dear old Dave Planning would refer to them as "Russkies". You certainly got me confused. the Netherlands and Denmark ? And Dave Planning ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, iris123 said: You certainly got me confused. the Netherlands and Denmark ? And Dave Planning ? Bloody autocorrect!!! Yep, you're probably not aware of the problems we have over here; Americans think that the Dutch come from Denmark! At best, they think "Danish" and "Dutch" are the same thing... There was a game show over here, "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth-Grader?", and there was a celebrity episode with the singer Kellie Pickler. The question was"Budapest is the capital of what European country? She said, "Europe? They speak French there, don't they?" When they gave the answer, she had never heard of Hungary... On a YouTube video of stupid people, they asked a college student, "What language do they speak in Great Britain?" She said, "Great British?" Americans really have no clue when it comes to anything European... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, chunky said: Bloody autocorrect!!! Yep, you're probably not aware of the problems we have over here; Americans think that the Dutch come from Denmark! At best, they think "Danish" and "Dutch" are the same thing... There was a game show over here, "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth-Grader?", and there was a celebrity episode with the singer Kellie Pickler. The question was"Budapest is the capital of what European country? She said, "Europe? They speak French there, don't they?" When they gave the answer, she had never heard of Hungary... On a YouTube video of stupid people, they asked a college student, "What language do they speak in Great Britain?" She said, "Great British?" Americans really have no clue when it comes to anything European... Thought you meant they were confused with the Netherlands and Holland I have seen some stuff on Instagram where some guy asks random people geography questions in what could be Times square. And i think the only people who got something right were tourists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, iris123 said: Thought you meant they were confused with the Netherlands and Holland I have seen some stuff on Instagram where some guy asks random people geography questions in what could be Times square. And i think the only people who got something right were tourists Yeah, there are a lot of those videos on YouTube. Another one... When I lived in St. Louis, there was a thriving Trivia Night scene; one or two every weekend with 10-30 teams of 8-10 players. We had a good team of regulars, and we usually won money. One night, a round asked us to identify 10 flags. One was the cross of St. George! Like three of the team blurted out, "Oh that's easy - it's Switzerland!" I said, "No, that's England!" "Don't be stupid! That's Switzerland. England is the Union Jack!" We argued for a couple of minutes before I was able to convince them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) How about this? On another TV game show... Can't remember the exact question, but it was summat about a "man-made" landmark in England, beginning with "S". Of course, it was Stonehenge, but in all seriousness, the guy answered "Scotland?" Yep, you can't make this sh!t up... Edited April 24, 2023 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 24, 2023 Report Share Posted April 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, chunky said: How about this? On another TV game show... Can't remember the exact question, but it was summat about a "man-made" landmark in England, beginning with "S". Of course, it was Stonehenge, but in all seriousness, the guy answered "Scotland?" Yep, you can't make this sh!t up... I think the worst ones i saw were where the answer was actualy in the question....something like which country does the Queen of Denmark reign over. And it left the person baffled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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