mikebv Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Used to happen every season however since riders don’t want to ride over here like they used to and the lack of available decent riders the ringer system seems to now be saved for just the play offs. The rules today still allow a team to bring in a higher averaged rider to replace their "lesser rider" that is missing.. And if that rider is also a track expert at their place then "happy days"... Not worth getting too bothered about the rules given so much that takes place is contrived and cobbled together, often "in the interest of UK Speedway" if all else fails... Lambert's inclusion brought back a World Class rider who was worth watching whoever he rode for so the sport benefitted by many hundreds more turning up to watch him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: The rules today still allow a team to bring in a higher averaged rider to replace their "lesser rider" that is missing.. And if that rider is also a track expert at their place then "happy days"... Not worth getting too bothered about the rules given so much that takes place is contrived and cobbled together, often "in the interest of UK Speedway" if all else fails... Lambert's inclusion brought back a World Class rider who was worth watching whoever he rode for so the sport benefitted by many hundreds more turning up to watch him.... It was great having Lambert back in the UK top flight, just not for 3 title deciders! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, magnificentseven said: Wolves website says they have reverted to original declaration to ensure cover for Luke for foreseeable future so sounds like Nicholls won't be available for a while. Nicholls can guest as versus Lynn in the home match...when he's fit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 54 minutes ago, TTT said: KL to win this one. KL should be a different kettle of fish at Home with improved performances from MPT, Pickering and TJ. what about KK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, TINYS said: what about KK. If Alex Brady is smart then you'll use R/R for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 4 hours ago, noaksey said: I'm turning out for this. Wolves struggling for a guest with only Sheffield not riding so Ellis, Bellego, Howarth or Kerr... Unless Nicholls is fit of course.. Narrow away win That doesn't sound like "struggling for a guest" all of those riders seem decent choices, even the lowest averaged (Kerr) on his former home track! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: That doesn't sound like "struggling for a guest" all of those riders seem decent choices, even the lowest averaged (Kerr) on his former home track! My point being the choice is limited to one club, Ellis isn't in form, Bellego, Howarth and Kerr are several points below Becker so it's not idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, noaksey said: My point being the choice is limited to one club, Ellis isn't in form, Bellego, Howarth and Kerr are several points below Becker so it's not idea So was Scott last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, noaksey said: My point being the choice is limited to one club, Ellis isn't in form, Bellego, Howarth and Kerr are several points below Becker so it's not idea They would fill Becker's boots quite easily around Lynn.Becker isn't that great around Lynn,only one decent score he has in all his visits.Probably averages around 3.5pts - 4pts at Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: So was Scott last week. He's ok at Monmore though, this is trickier, Ellis is the best rider but doesn't seem to be pulling up trees, I'd seriously consider Kerr for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, noaksey said: He's ok at Monmore though, this is trickier, Ellis is the best rider but doesn't seem to be pulling up trees, I'd seriously consider Kerr for this Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 Ding ding round two if so! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 53 minutes ago, noaksey said: He's ok at Monmore though, this is trickier, Ellis is the best rider but doesn't seem to be pulling up trees, I'd seriously consider Kerr for this I know just saying because their averages are lower doesn’t necessarily matter if we choose the right one. You’re right, it seems logical to go for Kerr, although Howarth wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, noaksey said: He's ok at Monmore though, this is trickier, Ellis is the best rider but doesn't seem to be pulling up trees, I'd seriously consider Kerr for this I think Kerr would do a good job , and he'd no doubt be fired up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 So lets get this straight. Becker got injured and team was redeclared with Nicholls , now its been re declared again with a still injured Becker ? That was certainly not legal in years gone by, hence how youd see riders blatantly still injured riding half a lap and pulling up so the club could get a facility. Seems an absolute farce but sums up British Speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, Pinny said: So lets get this straight. Becker got injured and team was redeclared with Nicholls , now its been re declared again with a still injured Becker ? That was certainly not legal in years gone by, hence how youd see riders blatantly still injured riding half a lap and pulling up so the club could get a facility. Seems an absolute farce but sums up British Speedway. Nicholls is on a 28 day facility. You cannot have a facility for a facility. If the 28 day rider gets injured at any point the team reverts back to the original declaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Nicholls is on a 28 day facility. You cannot have a facility for a facility. If the 28 day rider gets injured at any point the team reverts back to the original declaration. But you cannot declare a team with a rider you know isn't available to ride... At least you couldn't... Or has that rule changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Nicholls is on a 28 day facility. You cannot have a facility for a facility. If the 28 day rider gets injured at any point the team reverts back to the original declaration. A 28-day replacement is not a facility in the accepted sense - a list of facilities appears in the Speedway Regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 hours ago, NeilWatson said: A 28-day replacement is not a facility in the accepted sense - a list of facilities appears in the Speedway Regulations. It has to be a facility, otherwise the injured rider wouldn't be allowed to come back in with a higher average after Greensheet changes. If Wolves team average went to 39.01 they'd still be allowed to reintroduce Becker after 28 days. Even though it doesn't appear in the regulations as a facility (which it should), it is a facility for the above reasons. This is one of those situations that Phil Morris needs to get ahold of quickly. As again, 'Individual Interpretation' rather than 'Matter of Fact' is the norm. The whole rule book needs hard & fast rules, the problem is, the whole rule book is is "at the discretion of the SCB / BSP LTD Directors". This alone means the rule book is worthless. Speedway needs 'Hard & Fast' rules, only at the discretion of Phil Morris & nobody else. Once an anomaly arises Phil Morris decides & automatically updates to the rule book to remove 'Interpretation'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Speedway needs 'Hard & Fast' rules, only at the discretion of Phil Morris & nobody else. Once an anomaly arises Phil Morris decides & automatically updates to the rule book to remove 'Interpretation'. I agree 100% but that would mean all the fiddles got stopped and according to the BSPL that would not be in the best interests of speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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