Noelinho Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: The incident continues to make the national tabloid sports pages today with accusations of 'diving'! Ben’s a bit mental, but I don’t think he’s mad enough to put himself in a metal fence on purpose. The poly fence is a different story… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Cookie not helping himself… again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 Someone posted the incident on twitter. Clear as day what happened. Cook deliberately stuck his back wheel in Basso front wheel comibg out of turn 2 & had him off. Shocking piece of riding but then Cook doesn't seem right in the head anyway. Complete t0sser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 13, 2023 Report Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris said: Someone posted the incident on twitter. Clear as day what happened. Cook deliberately stuck his back wheel in Basso front wheel comibg out of turn 2 & had him off. Shocking piece of riding but then Cook doesn't seem right in the head anyway. Complete t0sser. agreed, uses this mental health nonsense as a cop out for his shocking behaviour. Guys a complete knob. Wasnt long ago people were hailing him as the best ever premier league rider. He isnt fit to lace Carl Stonehewer or Sean Wilsons boots. Or many others come to think of it. How he hasnt had a proper pasting yet is beyond me, we can only hope that day is getting closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Pinny said: agreed, uses this mental health nonsense as a cop out for his shocking behaviour. Guys a complete knob. Wasn't long ago people were hailing him as the best ever premier league rider. He isnt fit to lace Carl Stonehewer or Sean Wilsons boots. Or many others come to think of it. How he hasnt had a proper pasting yet is beyond me, we can only hope that day is getting closer. Gotta disagree there, while I don't approve of Cook's recent actions, at his best he had far higher averages than Stonehewer or Wilson did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Gotta disagree there, while I don't approve of Cook's recent actions, at his best he had far higher averages than Stonehewer or Wilson did. Averages are mis leading. Stonehewer held his own for numerous years in a much stronger Gp field whilst Cook had a shot and was well adrift , in a much weaker series. Stoney also starred for Gb in the world cups , again against much better competition. the Premier League in those days was way stronger than the years Cook dominated and was full of top line riders. Every race a heat leader rode was 9/10 against another top heat leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pinny said: Averages are mis leading. Stonehewer held his own for numerous years in a much stronger Gp field whilst Cook had a shot and was well adrift , in a much weaker series. Stoney also starred for Gb in the world cups , again against much better competition. the Premier League in those days was way stronger than the years Cook dominated and was full of top line riders. Every race a heat leader rode was 9/10 against another top heat leader. Not sure I can agree with all your points. When Stoney qualified for the GPs the top 10 from the meeting qualified (he finished 3rd) so it was easier to get in, plus the field was 24 riders, so the lower end of the GPs wasn't as strong. However I reckon both Stoney & Cook should be applauded for qualifying as Premier League / Championship riders. Also Cook would've qualified again if the qualifiers were as they were in Stoney's era (i.e no wild cards) as Cook finished 4th but was overlooked for those below him. It's tough to judge if the 2nd Division was stronger in Stoney's time or not. For example heat leaders in the 2000s would only be reserves / second strings in the Elite league. Whereas now Premiership heat leaders also race in the Championship. Does this mean the current period is stronger, or that the top division is now weaker? As there is no definitive answer, all I can go by is the stats! Even if people still feel Stoney / Wilson were better division 2 riders than Cook, they must admit there's not a lot in it, saying Cook "isn't fit to lace their boots" is far from the truth! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Chris said: Someone posted the incident on twitter. Clear as day what happened. Cook deliberately stuck his back wheel in Basso front wheel comibg out of turn 2 & had him off. Shocking piece of riding but then Cook doesn't seem right in the head anyway. Complete t0sser. Cookie gave Ben a full on push didn't just take his front wheel, he shoulder charged Tom in a later race but Tom stayed on. In ht15 he gave Picko a hard time coming out of the fourth turn, in front of the Monarchs fans, Picko waved his arm up and I'm sure I heard him shout What the fork Monarch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure I can agree with all your points. When Stoney qualified for the GPs the top 10 from the meeting qualified (he finished 3rd) so it was easier to get in, plus the field was 24 riders, so the lower end of the GPs wasn't as strong. However I reckon both Stoney & Cook should be applauded for qualifying as Premier League / Championship riders. Also Cook would've qualified again if the qualifiers were as they were in Stoney's era (i.e no wild cards) as Cook finished 4th but was overlooked for those below him. It's tough to judge if the 2nd Division was stronger in Stoney's time or not. For example heat leaders in the 2000s would only be reserves / second strings in the Elite league. Whereas now Premiership heat leaders also race in the Championship. Does this mean the current period is stronger, or that the top division is now weaker? As there is no definitive answer, all I can go by is the stats! Even if people still feel Stoney / Wilson were better division 2 riders than Cook, they must admit there's not a lot in it, saying Cook "isn't fit to lace their boots" is far from the truth! We will have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure I can agree with all your points. When Stoney qualified for the GPs the top 10 from the meeting qualified (he finished 3rd) so it was easier to get in, plus the field was 24 riders, so the lower end of the GPs wasn't as strong. However I reckon both Stoney & Cook should be applauded for qualifying as Premier League / Championship riders. Also Cook would've qualified again if the qualifiers were as they were in Stoney's era (i.e no wild cards) as Cook finished 4th but was overlooked for those below him. It's tough to judge if the 2nd Division was stronger in Stoney's time or not. For example heat leaders in the 2000s would only be reserves / second strings in the Elite league. Whereas now Premiership heat leaders also race in the Championship. Does this mean the current period is stronger, or that the top division is now weaker? As there is no definitive answer, all I can go by is the stats! Even if people still feel Stoney / Wilson were better division 2 riders than Cook, they must admit there's not a lot in it, saying Cook "isn't fit to lace their boots" is far from the truth! We will have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure I can agree with all your points. When Stoney qualified for the GPs the top 10 from the meeting qualified (he finished 3rd) so it was easier to get in, plus the field was 24 riders, so the lower end of the GPs wasn't as strong. However I reckon both Stoney & Cook should be applauded for qualifying as Premier League / Championship riders. Also Cook would've qualified again if the qualifiers were as they were in Stoney's era (i.e no wild cards) as Cook finished 4th but was overlooked for those below him. It's tough to judge if the 2nd Division was stronger in Stoney's time or not. For example heat leaders in the 2000s would only be reserves / second strings in the Elite league. Whereas now Premiership heat leaders also race in the Championship. Does this mean the current period is stronger, or that the top division is now weaker? As there is no definitive answer, all I can go by is the stats! Even if people still feel Stoney / Wilson were better division 2 riders than Cook, they must admit there's not a lot in it, saying Cook "isn't fit to lace their boots" is far from the truth! iMO .2nd Division was stronger then and the Top Division is a lot weaker now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Pinny said: We will have to agree to disagree. You can say that again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Pinny said: We will have to agree to disagree. You can say that again again lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: You can say that again again lol! I don't think there's any arguments about strength of top league. Late 90s all the top riders in Gaps plus all the top young talent wanted to ride in the elite league. Now you've got 1 or 2 gp riders and the best young riders (even antipodeans) are in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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