LisaColette Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 9:56 AM, Tommy Sweetman said: Don't be surprised if he scores well tonight he'll be tempted to come back full time at Wolves.Its been mooted for years that Nicholls would eventually become a fully fledged Wolf.But that would leave us way under the limit. Expand Only until Becker is fit though? As Becker is a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 10:43 AM, lisa-colette said: Only until Becker is fit though? As Becker is a lot better. Expand Long time to wait though,gonna be June at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 8:54 AM, Najjer said: Ridiculous. Opening meeting of the season and already being covered by guests. Everybody should be forced to use R/R for missing riders unless there is more than one rider missing. Guests are one of the biggest banes of British Speedway. Expand Trouble is r/r makes you so much weaker when it's the 3rd heat leader, 3 of the rides taken by second strings and reserves, how's that fair. There must be a fairer way for r/r to operate, maybe something like anyone can take a ride but the average totals for the 4 rides must not exceed the average of the missing rider x4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) On 4/3/2023 at 11:57 AM, Call me wolfie said: Trouble is r/r makes you so much weaker when it's the 3rd heat leader, 3 of the rides taken by second strings and reserves, how's that fair. There must be a fairer way for r/r to operate, maybe something like anyone can take a ride but the average totals for the 4 rides must not exceed the average of the missing rider x4. Expand It’s not fair but it’s the luck of the draw when you have an injured rider. This then encourages the team to go and sign a replacement or stick with R/R until the injured rider is back - but doesn’t include borrowing riders from other teams and keeps some form of team identity. The guest system has been a joke for a long time. I remember back in 2008 when Simon Walker was injured for my team (Somerset) who was on a 6.50 average after it being inflated due to a large home average. People were disappointed when he came back from injury after we had Craig Watson and other riders well above his ability guesting in place of him. Should never of been allowed really. Edited April 3, 2023 by Najjer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 11:57 AM, Call me wolfie said: Trouble is r/r makes you so much weaker when it's the 3rd heat leader, 3 of the rides taken by second strings and reserves, how's that fair. There must be a fairer way for r/r to operate, maybe something like anyone can take a ride but the average totals for the 4 rides must not exceed the average of the missing rider x4. Expand Their are always disadvantages to whatever way you build a team, you can only ever cover injuries the best way you can, unfortunately its part of the sport, you cannot cover every possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 11:57 AM, Call me wolfie said: Trouble is r/r makes you so much weaker when it's the 3rd heat leader, 3 of the rides taken by second strings and reserves, how's that fair. There must be a fairer way for r/r to operate, maybe something like anyone can take a ride but the average totals for the 4 rides must not exceed the average of the missing rider x4. Expand In Wolves case, after Masters the next 4 are pretty close in averages, so using second strings to cover Becker's rides isn't an issue, a reserve having to take one ride, probably would hurt them the most. How the averages luck out makes a big difference too, missing Schlein (7.14) and Masters gets a ride, missing Becker (7.11) and Masters does not get a ride. Makes a massive change to their r/r strength for the difference of 0.03 in the averages. Whatever the system is, it will suit some clubs more than others based on how their team is built. Lynn & Sheffield having a strong reserve would probably make them the teams most capable of covering r/r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 8:54 AM, Najjer said: Ridiculous. Opening meeting of the season and already being covered by guests. Everybody should be forced to use R/R for missing riders unless there is more than one rider missing. Guests are one of the biggest banes of British Speedway. Expand The first meeting I went to featured a guest rider. That was well over fifty years ago. Additionally, I would venture that in a hierarchical list of 'the banes of British speedway', guest riders would not feature highly. Just an opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 12:30 PM, 847084 said: The first meeting I went to featured a guest rider. That was well over fifty years ago. Additionally, I would venture that in a hierarchical list of 'the banes of British speedway', guest riders would not feature highly. Just an opinion. Expand Nonsense. It's one of the worst aspects of the sport in this country & why it's not taken seriously. Poland won't go near guests as the league will lose all integrity. One rider missing from the top 5 & it should be R/R. Any missing reseve is replaced by a club junior. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 12:40 PM, Chris said: Nonsense. It's one of the worst aspects of the sport in this country & why it's not taken seriously. Poland won't go near guests as the league will lose all integrity. One rider missing from the top 5 & it should be R/R. Any missing reseve is replaced by a club junior. Expand And we would be expected to pay to watch s--t like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambpanther Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) On 4/3/2023 at 9:18 AM, Najjer said: The sad thing is, it’s probably one of the reasons he doesn’t ride for anybody else. He can just pick and choose his matches on a nice suitable average to guest for just about anybody in the league - showing what a farce the system is. Expand Wrong. Hes actually agreed to doing eurosport meetings with Kelvin full time. So wouldnt be available mondays from may onwards. Sensible move on his behalf, theres a vacancy since nigels passing so taking the job now which will give him a income after retirement. Edited April 3, 2023 by cambpanther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 9:56 AM, Tommy Sweetman said: Don't be surprised if he scores well tonight he'll be tempted to come back full time at Wolves.Its been mooted for years that Nicholls would eventually become a fully fledged Wolf.But that would leave us way under the limit. Expand Nicholls for Becker isnt a good idea ..but if Z.Cook didnt make it then if the Ave came down..Nicholls at no 6 would be good.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambpanther Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 No point in talking about nicholls signing full time. 28day contract maybe but thats it. Hes already agreed to a eurosport deal for prem meetings and GP and likely wont be able to get out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 12:05 PM, Najjer said: It’s not fair but it’s the luck of the draw when you have an injured rider. This then encourages the team to go and sign a replacement or stick with R/R until the injured rider is back - but doesn’t include borrowing riders from other teams and keeps some form of team identity. The guest system has been a joke for a long time. I remember back in 2008 when Simon Walker was injured for my team (Somerset) who was on a 6.50 average after it being inflated due to a large home average. People were disappointed when he came back from injury after we had Craig Watson and other riders well above his ability guesting in place of him. Should never of been allowed really. Expand Perhaps they should take into consideration the average that rider holds Home & Away for considering guests, if you need a guest at home and the rider averages 7 at home, you can take someone to that average, if their away average is 4.00 then you must find a suitable guest for a 4.00 would even it out slightly Unfortunately guests are a thing in Speedway its unfortunate that a rider is injured at the start of the season, better to have guests for this reason rather than riders who can't be bothered or a club signing a rider who has no intention of riding and forever using a guest or some form of facility for him/her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 1:39 PM, cambpanther said: Wrong. Hes actually agreed to doing eurosport meetings with Kelvin full time. So wouldnt be available mondays from may onwards. Sensible move on his behalf, theres a vacancy since nigels passing so taking the job now which will give him an income after retirement. Expand Not wrong at all - Hence why I said one of the reasons, so he can pick and choose meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 I rate Lynn, but don't think this is a track they'll do well on, so will go for a Wolves win 8-10 points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 7:46 PM, castrolargh said: Oh dear Expand May as well book your holidays for September now.Don't think there will be any fixtures for Lynn then,unless we have some rain offs to fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Woeful from the top 3 of Klindt, KK and Pickering so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 7:53 PM, Arch Stanton said: Woeful from the top 3 of Klindt, KK and Pickering so far. Expand Plenty of more similar showings to come as well, KL are giving out serious Panthers 2022 vibes already from tonight's showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 1:42 PM, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Nicholls for Becker isnt a good idea ..but if Z.Cook didnt make it then if the Ave came down..Nicholls at no 6 would be good.... Expand Can't see that happening as Wolves top 5 are all decent. Don't see their averages dropping much, if at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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