screm Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 48 minutes ago, Normski said: Speaking to other Berwick fans at Redcar we all thought use IRR after Leons first ride as it was obvious he was in a lot of pain and discomfort. I was trhen informed we couldn't as he did not injure himself during the meeting. Yet Wolverhampton could use Scott Nicholls as a guest last night for Luke Becker who had yet rode a competitive meeting for his club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 9 hours ago, alang said: Â Is he not just trying to hide the fact that yet again they have built a not very competitive team? That had crossed my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, screm said: Yet Wolverhampton could use Scott Nicholls as a guest last night for Luke Becker who had yet rode a competitive meeting for his club. rules are strange m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, screm said: Yet Wolverhampton could use Scott Nicholls as a guest last night for Luke Becker who had yet rode a competitive meeting for his club. There is a difference though,Nichols was at the meeting as a guest.Flint was in the Team and didn’t take a ride so don’t see how you can us IRR when he was not injured in the actual meeting.( which I think that is the point of IRR).Perhaps if Flint had withdrew before racing started they would have got RR. Edited April 4, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: There is a difference though,Nichols was at the meeting as a guest.Flint was in the Team and didn’t take a ride so don’t see how you can us IRR when he was not injured in the actual meeting.( which I think that is the point of IRR). So basically after his first race they could have said he is not fit enough to carry on not that it matters now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Normski said: So basically after his first race they could have said he is not fit enough to carry on not that it matters now It just the usual interpretation of the rules by different Referee’s.Was Macgregor the Ref.? Who was the CMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It just the usual interpretation of the rules by different Referee’s.Was Macgregor the Ref.? Who was the CMO. Yup https://britishspeedway.co.uk/23results/redcar_02.04.23_res.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: It just the usual interpretation of the rules by different Referee’s.Was Macgregor the Ref.? Who was the CMO. Strangely enough, the CMO was from Berwick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Strangely enough, the CMO was from Berwick ! It does look like Flint was wanting to ride then. Edited April 4, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Jorgensen used his Prem ave converted as he didn't ride Champ in 2022. He's now back onto his rolling averages (including 2021 matches) so will get a new average on 1st May, along with the rest of the team - unless the rules have changed again! Knudsen may get a new average sooner. He needs 2 more matches to get a new average, but I don't know if BSN qualifiers count? Berwick don't have a league match until May 6th. Unless BSN matches are included as 'official' fixtures -- which I doubt -- none of their averages will change on May 1st, as I see it......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 9 hours ago, crescent girl said: Berwick don't have a league match until May 6th. Unless BSN matches are included as 'official' fixtures -- which I doubt -- none of their averages will change on May 1st, as I see it......... Bad planning yet again then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 11 hours ago, crescent girl said: Berwick don't have a league match until May 6th. Unless BSN matches are included as 'official' fixtures -- which I doubt -- none of their averages will change on May 1st, as I see it.........  1 hour ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Bad planning yet again then Not if the promotion were happy with the 7 riders signed & weren't planning on making any changes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Â Not if the promotion were happy with the 7 riders signed & weren't planning on making any changes! I think the Team was built round the hope that Flint will really step up this season and Jonas developing fast.Time will tell. Edited April 5, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 13 hours ago, crescent girl said: Berwick don't have a league match until May 6th. Unless BSN matches are included as 'official' fixtures -- which I doubt -- none of their averages will change on May 1st, as I see it......... When do you think they will change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bandit59 said: When do you think they will change? Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a rolling basis on all eligible meetings from the past 2 seasons, up to and including 23rd of the month, to become effective from the 1st of the following month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bandit59 said: When do you think they will change? Most of them on June 1st. Maybe slightly earlier for TJ or Jonas, if theirs are special circumstances..... Edited April 5, 2023 by crescent girl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 hours ago, crescent girl said: Most of them on June 1st. Maybe slightly earlier for TJ or Jonas, if theirs are special circumstances..... Going by the fixture list, come May 23rd Jonas will have had 7 League meetings for Berwick. He needs to have ridden in 8 to get a proper MA so looks like July 1st before his average changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Normski said: Going by the fixture list, come May 23rd Jonas will have had 7 League meetings for Berwick. He needs to have ridden in 8 to get a proper MA so looks like July 1st before his average changes. For riders getting a non-rolling average, it should be 7 days after their 8th match, so Knudsen wouldn't have to wait till July 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 From what I have seen somewhere, a rolling average only includes meetings in 2021 & 2022. As TJ has a converted average from 2022 & looking at the British Speedway site & Berwick's Rider Statistics, it has TJ 0 0 0 0 across the board. To me, as a guess, he will have to ride in 8 Qualifying(League) meetings before he gets a new average. His 10 meeting rolling average is from the Premiership in 2022 & has a 20 meeting rolling average in the Championship from 2021 which I do not think would count. Gambo is the one in the know who will put you right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 Also, my theory is based on last recent meetings of which TJ rode in the Premiership(22) & Rory in Championship(21) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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