mikebv Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, StevePark said: Let's be honest, the promotion aren't going to do a Press Release at the start of the season and say "Sorry folks, but you've got a poor team team watch this season. We've got it wrong this year", are they? If every individual rider increased their points average as predicted by their promoters at the pre season press conferences, every meeting would have to finish 70-50... Edited April 30, 2023 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col69 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 same team sorry fans another year and tis hasnot worked sorry yet again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Many early season predictions had Edinburgh, Berwick and Brum as the bottom three and early indications are that they are probably correct. As for the track, it seems the club have done all they can to the corners to make racing better but while the straights and entrances/exits to the bends are so narrow and there is no leeway to change it due to the football pitch then it little will change unfortunately. Berwick need at least two changes to be competitive IMO, no idea who but Etheridge and Stoneman out and two solid middle order men in would do the trick. The exits and entrances to the bends are not “narrow “ plus the track alterations made them wider.IMO the speed of the bikes make it difficult too pass unless the rider makes mistakes as the racing line is “flat out”when the rider is in front.Unfortunately like you say nothing will change.It is what it is.The speed is spectacular though. Ps Chris Harris and Charles Wright are exemptions to all my views as they makes passing Heat Leaders look easy at Berwick Edited April 30, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The exits and entrances to the bends are not “narrow “ plus the track alterations made them wider.IMO the speed of the bikes make it difficult too pass unless the rider makes mistakes as the racing line is “flat out”when the rider is in front.Unfortunately like you say nothing will change.It is what it is.The speed is spectacular though. I would beg to differ. The corners of a pitch on the inside will always dictate narrow exits and entrances unless those corners get taken up. Workington and Hull were the same. That's why riders have to shut off and almost queue up to enter the corners. If the second part of your post was true then we wouldn't get any passing at Belle Vue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I would beg to differ. The corners of a pitch on the inside will always dictate narrow exits and entrances unless those corners get taken up. Workington and Hull were the same. That's why riders have to shut off and almost queue up to enter the corners. If the second part of your post was true then we wouldn't get any passing at Belle Vue. I don’t see may riders shutting off entering the 3rd/4th bend at Berwick.Everybody knows Belle Vue is an exception in GB built to a Polish spec from scratch. Ps The Berwick Track is F.I.M. Standard. Edited April 30, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Binman said: Bullets should easily win next weekend so that's a plus Sorry just looked Bullets vs Kent....easy home win. 1 hour ago, StevePark said: Let's be honest, the promotion aren't going to do a Press Release at the start of the season and say "Sorry folks, but you've got a poor team team watch this season. We've got it wrong this year", are they? Maybe a bit of honesty would be refreshing and actually help? The fans can see its a poor team and loads of bluster press releases like the riders aren't dialled in yet won't wash forever and crowds will suffer. Something along the lines of we thought the team would be competitive but we have clearly misjudged the strength of others. We will actively look to boost the current team and make changes if the right riders become available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 Was my first meeting of the season (not the best of starts). When speaking to someone at the interval I was asked to look at the riders 1 on 1 (Jorgensen and Lawson etc) and give an edge to a certain rider. Once we had went through the 7 riders he said I hesitated on 2 so call them equal. He said you favour 4 Redcar riders and 1 Berwick rider with 2 equal so it would take riders being on form and other riders being off form to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, col69 said: same team sorry fans another year and tis hasnot worked sorry yet again Get right behind the Lads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I would beg to differ. The corners of a pitch on the inside will always dictate narrow exits and entrances unless those corners get taken up. Workington and Hull were the same. That's why riders have to shut off and almost queue up to enter the corners. If the second part of your post was true then we wouldn't get any passing at Belle Vue. The speed at the NSS is 100% flat out, however the bends entrance width, and depth of track material, make the passing opportunity.. For such a great track it actually provides it's best racing when on the "slicker side"... When grippy, it becomes follow the leader at top speed with the track record in danger. Fast but not entertaining... Given the modern machinery and riding style means riders hit the bends often on "full lock, sideways" it means to execute a pass you need room either side as you enter the turn. Not many tracks have that width to allow that, meaning the rider in front can affectively block any potential attack if he rides full lock almost mid track as he enters the bends.. Edited April 30, 2023 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 Agree with most of what everyone has said so far, last week clearly the exception to the rule against a poor Edinburgh side and when Pickering was injured in the tie at Berwick it was always going to be a home win Like has been said anyone who had half an idea about speedway knew that the Berwick team was built terribly with Coles the exception to the rule again as he is proving to easily be the best 2 pointer in the league so far Leon needs a break from Berwick to get up to a higher level as he really does struggle away from home and only ever seems to beat his teammates or other teams reserves, however he is fantastic at home With a double header next week and the price being extortionate at the best of times for the majority of the fan base eg concessions I can see it being a very poor crowd next week, half of the fans on the back straight last night were from Redcar Berwick fans have been taken for mugs for over a decade now, has patience finally run out from one of the loyalest fan bases in speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, mikebv said: The speed at the NSS is 100% flat out, however the bends entrance width, and depth of track material, make the passing opportunity.. For such a great track it actually provides it's best racing when on the "slicker side"... When grippy, it becomes follow the leader at top speed with the track record in danger. Fast but not entertaining... Given the modern machinery and riding style means riders hit the bends often on "full lock, sideways" it means to execute a pass you need room either side as you enter the turn. Not many tracks have that width to allow that, meaning the rider in front can affectively block any potential attack if he rides full lock almost mid track as he enters the bends.. Good Post,100% agree. I seem to remember when the WTC was at BV( original format) the Qualifying Meeting on the Friday night was poor racing because the track was grippy( Think Iversen either broke the Track Record or was close to it).They slickened it off for the Final and it was some great racing. Edited April 30, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Good Post,100% agree. I seem to remember when the WTC was at BV( original format) the Qualifying Meeting on the Friday night was poor racing because the track was grippy( Think Iversen either broke the Track Record or was close to it).The slickened it off for the Final and it was some great racing. It was... Rain has impacted the track for the race off... "Old videos" show how much riding styles have changed over the decades, with riding styles up to around the 90's being less sideways than today as the riders hit the bends, with them only locking up well into the turn to straighten up to go down the next straight... This meant more room to pass as the riders just behind hit the turns.. Workington have deliberately made bend entrance and exit width wide meaning several bikes can enter in the modern sideways way.. Somerset, Scunthorpe, and Belle Vue all had/have that shape of track and bend width that suits the modern bikes and riding style.. Swindon changed theirs, and Ipswich the same, to try and open up lines into the bends.. Which, due to the horsepower of the bikes down the straights, is often the main opportuniity place to pass.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: I don’t see may riders shutting off entering the 3rd/4th bend at Berwick.Everybody knows Belle Vue is an exception in GB built to a Polish spec from scratch. Ps The Berwick Track is F.I.M. Standard. That's a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 hours ago, Spittaler said: Suppose if you going to have bad one as team it was tonight 3 gates 3 race wins tells the tale RR does not work for Knudsen sadly No easier next Saturday against good Scunthorpe who will have strong reserve for Kennedy for sure Only pass marks Flint and Coles No facility for a replacement for Zaine as that finishes midweek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Hamster00 said: Agree with most of what everyone has said so far, last week clearly the exception to the rule against a poor Edinburgh side and when Pickering was injured in the tie at Berwick it was always going to be a home win Like has been said anyone who had half an idea about speedway knew that the Berwick team was built terribly with Coles the exception to the rule again as he is proving to easily be the best 2 pointer in the league so far Leon needs a break from Berwick to get up to a higher level as he really does struggle away from home and only ever seems to beat his teammates or other teams reserves, however he is fantastic at home With a double header next week and the price being extortionate at the best of times for the majority of the fan base eg concessions I can see it being a very poor crowd next week, half of the fans on the back straight last night were from Redcar Berwick fans have been taken for mugs for over a decade now, has patience finally run out from one of the loyalest fan bases in speedway? Might be a mistake Financially to run double headers.IMO Has there been any announcement on Admission prices(or have I missed it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 15 hours ago, lisa-colette said: On a more positive note Connor Coles becoming one of the better/most improved two pointer so far. Yeh,hats off to Conner has had a great start to his season.Riding very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 The other thing not mentioned is banking. Glasgow has great racing, but not because the bends are very wide. IIRC, they're actually only just wide enough for FIM standard (which I think is why some riders struggled at the SGP qualifier last year) but the banking really makes the outside line work. Without the banking, it would be a very ordinary track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Noelinho said: The other thing not mentioned is banking. Glasgow has great racing, but not because the bends are very wide. IIRC, they're actually only just wide enough for FIM standard (which I think is why some riders struggled at the SGP qualifier last year) but the banking really makes the outside line work. Without the banking, it would be a very ordinary track. Agree the entrance too the bends are tight.Some great racing at times though.Watching how wide Harris was entering the 3rd/4th bend trying pass was scary how close he was to touching rider in front back wheel.Typical Harris though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Agree the entrance too the bends are tight.Some great racing at times though.Watching how wide Harris was entering the 3rd/4th bend trying pass was scary how close he was to touching rider in front back wheel.Typical Harris though. So Glasgow is tight into the bends but Berwick isn't? Hmmmmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Tosh1218 said: No facility for a replacement for Zaine as that finishes midweek Yep runs out 5th May.. not sure if its midnight 4th or midnight 5th but if you perm 1 from 3 of Max Clegg,Dan Thompson or Drew Kemp then Connor Mountain will be reserve. if we can get him i would go for Nathan Ablitt to join Connor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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