mikebv Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 hours ago, arnieg said: I'd argue that's been the natural state for the best part of 15-20 years, with Robert Lambert and Dan Bewley in quick succession being the exceptions that have helped mask our decline. Between 2010 and 2015 the top Brit in the World under 21 was Stefan Nielsen - 12th in 2015. Yes to test matches, if only they were logistically and financially possible. Since I returned to watching Speedway in 1988, there has been Screen, Havelock, Louis, Loram, Woffy, Lambert and Bewley that I have seen their whole career unfold, with all of them clearly being of a much higher standard than their contemporaries at a similar age.. You do have a certain "glide path" it seems which suggests you really need to be a top league HL within three or four years to continue your progress to the top, with a No1 berth five or six years in being the target.. If your not in GP's seven or eight years or so into your career then your level is pretty much set.. Not many do a "Jason Doyle" and almost overnight, it appeared, go from reserve to World Class... Looking at how many Poles, (and other Eastern Europeans), Swedes and Danes are coming through at U24 level, the UK lads have some serious challenges on to break through to the higher levels.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, mikebv said: Since I returned to watching Speedway in 1988, there has been Screen, Havelock, Louis, Loram, Woffy, Lambert and Bewley that I have seen their whole career unfold, with all of them clearly being of a much higher standard than their contemporaries at a similar age.. You do have a certain "glide path" it seems which suggests you really need to be a top league HL within three or four years to continue your progress to the top, with a No1 berth five or six years in being the target.. If your not in GP's seven or eight years or so into your career then your level is pretty much set.. Not many do a "Jason Doyle" and almost overnight, it appeared, go from reserve to World Class... Looking at how many Poles, (and other Eastern Europeans), Swedes and Danes are coming through at U24 level, the UK lads have some serious challenges on to break through to the higher levels.. The SGP2 matches at the week end certainly show the challenges Young Brits have.Brennan is our most consistent “up and comer”he was a No8 in Polish 1st Division at the weekend and didn’t even get a ride.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The SGP2 matches at the week end certainly show the challenges Young Brits have.Brennan is our most consistent “up and comer”he was a No8 in Polish 1st Division at the weekend and didn’t even get a ride.! I have seen Tom Brennan rise swiftly to the stage he was at last season. his start to this season has been slower I would go so far as to say he is not at the level he finished at last term. Like many others he has reached a position where he has come to rest, the question is can he get past this to improve further & make it to the next stage. I have seen so many enjoy their racing until it becomes to hard for them, the pressure of needing to score well is to much. Gone is the time of hearing that kid is going to be the best to hearing he's not going to make it & some fall by the wayside others continue to be long time NDL riders just to enjoy their speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Technik said: I have seen Tom Brennan rise swiftly to the stage he was at last season. his start to this season has been slower I would go so far as to say he is not at the level he finished at last term. Like many others he has reached a position where he has come to rest, the question is can he get past this to improve further & make it to the next stage. I have seen so many enjoy their racing until it becomes to hard for them, the pressure of needing to score well is to much. Gone is the time of hearing that kid is going to be the best to hearing he's not going to make it & some fall by the wayside others continue to be long time NDL riders just to enjoy their speedway Tom is still developing,he’s is riding well when I have seen him a couple of times.But like you say it’s a big step to the next level.GB is well behind European and Scandinavian Countries at junior level.There is still only a few who will make the Top though. Poland certainly give their youngsters every opportunity and it is cut throat with the numbers they have got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Tom is still developing,he’s is riding well when I have seen him a couple of times.But like you say it’s a big step to the next level.GB is well behind European and Scandinavian Countries at junior level.There is still only a few who will make the Top though. Poland certainly give their youngsters every opportunity and it is cut throat with the numbers they have got. The 2nd Tier should have two British U21 riders per team ring fenced for 3 rides a night each... And then move up organically as they progress, (or not as the case may be).. The Poles reap what they saw in this regard..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 27 th May 2023 – Lonigo (ITA) .1 Matic Ivacic AMZS Slovenia 2 Michele Castagna FMI Italy 3 Niels Kristian Iversen DMU Denmark 4 Denis Stojs AMZS Slovenia 5 Oliver Berntzon SVEMO Sweden 6 Tom Brennan ACU Great Britain 7 TBA SML Finland 8 Piotr Pawlicki PZM Poland 9 Marius Hillebrand DMSB Germany 10 Facundo Martin Cuello CAMOD Argentina 11 Mathias Trésarrieu FFM France 12 Nicolas Covatti FMI Italy 13 TBA MNZ New Zealand 14 Jan Kvech ACCR Czech Republic 15 Jaimon Lidsey MA Australia 16 Eber Ampugnani CAMOD Argentina 17 Andrea Battaglia FMI Italy 18 Matteo Boncinelli FMI Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 29th May 2023 – Abensberg (GER) 1 Giovanni Manzares AMA USA 2 Mika Meijer KNMV The Netherlands 3 Rohan Tungate MA Australia 4 Eduard Krcmar ACCR Czech Republic 5 Norick Blödorn DMSB Germany 6 Przemysław Pawlicki PZM Poland 7 Mads Hansen DMU Denmark 8 Dimitri Bergé FFM France 9 Sébastian Kössler AMF Austria 10 Jason Doyle MA Australia 11 Kevin Wölbert DMSB Germany 12 Kim Nilsson SVEMO Sweden 13 Glenn Moi NMF Norway 14 Chris Harris ACU Great Britain 15 Nicolo Percotti FMI Italy 16 Jevgenijs Kostigovs LaMSF Latvia 17 Martin Smolinski DMSB Germany 18 Valentin Grobauer DMSB Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 29 th May 2023 – Debrecen (HUN) 1 Michael Jepsen Jensen DMU Denmark 2 Andrei Popa FRM Romania 3 David Bellego FFM France 4 Norbert Magosi MAMS Hungary 5 Marko Levishyn FMU Ukraine 6 Petr Chlupac ACCR Czech Republic 7 Andzejs Lebedevs LaMSF Latvia 8 Kai Huckenbeck DMSB Germany 9 Janusz Kołodziej PZM Poland 10 Andreas Lyager DMU Denmark 11 Jack Holder MA Australia 12 Adam Ellis ACU Great Britain 13 Jacob Thorssell SVEMO Sweden 14 Roland Kovacs MAMS Hungary 15 Timi Salonen SML Finland 16 Nazar Parnitskyi FMU Ukraine 17 Mark Barany MAMS Hungary 18 Richard Füzesi MAMS Hungary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 23, 2023 Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 Which round has only 3 quals if no Swedes get through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, arnieg said: Which round has only 3 quals if no Swedes get through? I have asked- will let you know if i get an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: Which round has only 3 quals if no Swedes get through? Debrecen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 On 5/22/2023 at 6:18 PM, Fromafar said: The SGP2 matches at the week end certainly show the challenges Young Brits have.Brennan is our most consistent “up and comer”he was a No8 in Polish 1st Division at the weekend and didn’t even get a ride.! Or look at the under 24 league where Pollestad (decried by some as an undeserved nomination) is averaging 9.7, while Leon Flint (the no 1 U21 Brit on domestic form) is averaging 5.8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) On 5/23/2023 at 8:25 AM, racers and royals said: FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 27 th May 2023 – Lonigo (ITA) .1 Matic Ivacic AMZS Slovenia 2 Michele Castagna FMI Italy 3 Niels Kristian Iversen DMU Denmark 4 Denis Stojs AMZS Slovenia 5 Oliver Berntzon SVEMO Sweden 6 Tom Brennan ACU Great Britain 7 TBA SML Finland 8 Piotr Pawlicki PZM Poland 9 Marius Hillebrand DMSB Germany 10 Facundo Martin Cuello CAMOD Argentina 11 Mathias Trésarrieu FFM France 12 Nicolas Covatti FMI Italy 13 TBA MNZ New Zealand 14 Jan Kvech ACCR Czech Republic 15 Jaimon Lidsey MA Australia 16 Eber Ampugnani CAMOD Argentina 17 Andrea Battaglia FMI Italy 18 Matteo Boncinelli FMI Italy 7 Timk Lahti 13 Battaglia Edited May 25, 2023 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 14 hours ago, arnieg said: Or look at the under 24 league where Pollestad (decried by some as an undeserved nomination) is averaging 9.7, while Leon Flint (the no 1 U21 Brit on domestic form) is averaging 5.8. Some British fans seem to believe that it's a god given right that all British under 21 riders be in all competitions such as this, no mater how good or bad they are compared to other nations under 21 riders. Who is this Norwegian guy? They say, he must be awful because he's from a country not known for developing speedway riders, must replace him with *insert random British rider who happens to be under the age of 21 here* because clearly all Brits are far superior to everyone else. If they actually took the time to study the under 24 league in Poland, they'd realize just how far the likes of Tom Brennan and Leon Flint need to go to start pushing for places in these types of competitions... I would say on European tracks (Polish tracks) our best hope is actually Anders Rowe, which is why I think it's sensible that the likes of Drew Kemp are chosing to ride Poland over Britain, that is the way to make a name for yourself in the sport these days unfortunately. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 8:30 AM, racers and royals said: FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 29 th May 2023 – Debrecen (HUN) 1 Michael Jepsen Jensen DMU Denmark 2 Andrei Popa FRM Romania 3 David Bellego FFM France 4 Norbert Magosi MAMS Hungary 5 Marko Levishyn FMU Ukraine 6 Petr Chlupac ACCR Czech Republic 7 Andzejs Lebedevs LaMSF Latvia 8 Kai Huckenbeck DMSB Germany 9 Janusz Kołodziej PZM Poland 10 Andreas Lyager DMU Denmark 11 Jack Holder MA Australia 12 Adam Ellis ACU Great Britain 13 Jacob Thorssell SVEMO Sweden 14 Roland Kovacs MAMS Hungary 15 Timi Salonen SML Finland 16 Nazar Parnitskyi FMU Ukraine 17 Mark Barany MAMS Hungary 18 Richard Füzesi MAMS Hungary 16 Anti Vuolas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted May 26, 2023 Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 Live updates from all 4 qualifiers: https://live.baansportfansite.nl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 6:58 PM, racers and royals said: FIM Speedway Grand prix world championship – qualifying round 27th May 2023 – Zarnovica 1 Lukas Fienhage DMSB Germany 2 Vitalii Lysak FMU Ukraine 3 Daniel Klima ACCR Czech Republic 4 Bartosz Smektala PZM Poland 5 Nick Skorja AMZS Slovenia 6 Filip Hjelmland SVEMO Sweden 7 Luke Becker AMA USA 8 Nicolas Vincentin FMI Italy 9 Martin Vaculik SMF Slovakia 10 Maxwell Ruml AMA USA 11 Victor Palovaara SVEMO Sweden 12 Szymon Woźniak PZM Poland 13 Robert Lambert ACU Great Britain 14 Max Fricke MA Australia 15 Vaclav Milik ACCR Czech Republic 16 Frederik Jakobsen DMU Denmark 17 Jakub Valkovic SMF Slovakia 18 Adam Carada SMF Slovakia Possible live stream - start time 2pm UK time http://video.ucoz.lv/index/live_stream/0-5?fbclid=IwAR3GBD24ycNEX1uH3QUSREiQxcnD9RHAhHAcp1WHq7svfS7e_VHYfRbHg68 alternative http://kergel.ucoz.lv/index/live_stream_2/0-12?fbclid=IwAR3VhUjKMTiAWVp9hnoJ55v5l4YLSDgCx3k6IBfv2shCfqCxJ8GFkuYYIzg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 Zarnovica qualifiers 1st Vaculik 2nd Wozniak 3rd Becker ARO 4th Jakobsen ARO res Lambert ARO Fricke 6th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 Lonigo qualifiers Piotr Pawlicki Covatti Kvech Castagna Res Berntzon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 On 5/23/2023 at 8:27 AM, racers and royals said: FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship – Qualifying round 29th May 2023 – Abensberg (GER) 1 Giovanni Manzares AMA USA 2 Mika Meijer KNMV The Netherlands 3 Rohan Tungate MA Australia 4 Eduard Krcmar ACCR Czech Republic 5 Norick Blödorn DMSB Germany 6 Przemysław Pawlicki PZM Poland 7 Mads Hansen DMU Denmark 8 Dimitri Bergé FFM France 9 Sébastian Kössler AMF Austria 10 Jason Doyle MA Australia 11 Kevin Wölbert DMSB Germany 12 Kim Nilsson SVEMO Sweden 13 Glenn Moi NMF Norway 14 Chris Harris ACU Great Britain 15 Nicolo Percotti FMI Italy 16 Jevgenijs Kostigovs LaMSF Latvia 17 Martin Smolinski DMSB Germany 18 Valentin Grobauer DMSB Germany Smolinski rides at 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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