One Minute for reruns

[steve roberts]

11 hours ago, chunky said:

So you want 3 - or 2 - rider races?

I've always advocated putting them on 20 yards although there are problems with that in that it may give them an advantage choosing a line entering the first bend for the first time?

[chunky]

2 hours ago, steve roberts said:

I've always advocated putting them on 20 yards although there are problems with that in that it may give them an advantage choosing a line entering the first bend for the first time?

Oh, I get it - so make it 30 yards...

[steve roberts]

10 minutes ago, chunky said:

Oh, I get it - so make it 30 yards...

...or whatever?

[chunky]

49 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

...or whatever?

Exactly! People just get something in their heads, and can't consider any alternative.

Most of us (not all of us, apparently) would rather see four riders in a race, rather than just three or two. It's okay to punish a rider or team for a starting offence, but why should the fans be punished by being forced to watch races with riders missing?

[rearingtogo]

On 2/25/2023 at 1:52 PM, geoff100 said:

Change "to" too "at"!

It’s all the gardening that gets up my nose.

[steve roberts]

8 hours ago, rearingtogo said:

It’s all the gardening that gets up my nose.

....re-introducing concrete starting gates would end all that!

[Fromafar]

On 2/26/2023 at 10:23 AM, Mr Blobby said:

Daft rule. Could end waiting longer. Movement at the start one minute goes on. Rider misses the one minute. Fresh 2 minutes go on for a replacement. 
 

Just do what all other leagues do in the world 2 minute clock and if you’re not at the tapes by then you’re out. Don’t know why we love to complicate things in Britain. 

Agree ,why not just the 2 minute clock,ready to race or excluded ,works very well everywhere else.

[brianbuck]

The argument that supporters suffer by watching 3 man races might seem logical, but I believe that some riders are encouraged by team managers to try it on at the starts, knowing that there is always a reserve to replace them if they are caught out.

This would stop abruptly if there were no exclusions for tapes offences, so supporters would benefit in the long term by not having to put up with repeated restarts.

[Dave Jones]

16 hours ago, brianbuck said:

The argument that supporters suffer by watching 3 man races might seem logical, but I believe that some riders are encouraged by team managers to try it on at the starts, knowing that there is always a reserve to replace them if they are caught out.

This would stop abruptly if there were no exclusions for tapes offences, so supporters would benefit in the long term by not having to put up with repeated restarts.

But surely that would just encourage them all to "try it on" & we would soon be back to the bad old "Rawhide" days ,you know "rollin- rollin-rollin".?

[edmon]

26 minutes ago, Dave Jones said:

But surely that would just encourage them all to "try it on" & we would soon be back to the bad old "Rawhide" days ,you know "rollin- rollin-rollin".?

Could this not be be dealt with by a time penalty since transponders are now to be used.

[Dave Jones]

6 minutes ago, edmon said:

Could this not be be dealt with by a time penalty since transponders are now to be used.

Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start,  otherwise it would soon be chaos.

[steve roberts]

36 minutes ago, Dave Jones said:

Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start,  otherwise it would soon be chaos.

...I remember when Peter Adams, rather tongue in cheek, suggested that the starting tapes be made of barbed wire when the touching tapes rule was first muted... he stated that would soon deter riders from nudging the tapes!

[Dave Jones]

4 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

...I remember when Peter Adams, rather tongue in cheek, suggested that the starting tapes be made of barbed wire when the touching tapes rule was first muted... he stated that would soon deter riders from nudging the tapes!

"Pete Adams barbed & tongues" all together seems appropriate.

[W9 Lion]

2 hours ago, Dave Jones said:

Could be , there definitely needs to be some sort of punishment for moving at the start,  otherwise it would soon be chaos.

If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm.

[steve roberts]

32 minutes ago, W9 Lion said:

If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm.

I remember that a tape was lowered behind the rear wheel as a trial but came to nought?

[Dave Jones]

53 minutes ago, W9 Lion said:

If UK Start Marshals a) knew the rules & b) tried to enforce them then their would be alot less moving at the starts. Riders are meant to start with 75mm of the tapes, many are not even within 75cm.

Yes , but we know the start marshal can take great care to get them lined up & the second he moves away at least one rider will back off from the tapes undoing everything he has attempted to achieve .

[W9 Lion]

1 hour ago, Dave Jones said:

Yes , but we know the start marshal can take great care to get them lined up & the second he moves away at least one rider will back off from the tapes undoing everything he has attempted to achieve .

I understand that but at that stage the ref should exclude them for rolling at the start. When we had the second line that was meant to be beneath the front wheel spindle that appeared to reduce rolling quite alot but it was scrapped after one season.

[*JJ]

The problem is that the riders have to cooperate with the rules, or have to be forced to cooperate.A few years ago, I saw the start marshal try to make a rider (who was desperate to make the start, his team were losing badly) come up to the tapes; the rider eventually took a swing at the marshal.  Then again, many years ago they tried to put a thick rope behind the back wheel of the bike to stop rolling back. The riders fought and struggled to get back over the rope to try to jump the start or at least do more gardening.

What is really needed is, simply, that referees clamp down on any tricks and disqualify any rider who won't behave.

Edited March 11, 2023 by *JJ

[bigcatdiary]

17 minutes ago, *JJ said:

The problem is that the riders have to cooperate with the rules, or have to be forced to cooperate.A few years ago, I saw the start marshal try to make a rider (who was desperate to make the start, his team were losing badly) come up to the tapes; the rider eventually took a swing at the marshal.  Then again, many years ago they tried to put a thick rope behind the back wheel of the bike to stop rolling back. The riders fought and struggled to get back over the rope to try to jump the start or at least do more gardening.

What is really needed is, simply, that referees clamp down on any tricks and disqualify any rider who won't behave.

The real problem is tracks, they are generally very slick which makes passing in most circumstances very difficult, which of course makes starting well a necessity, which is why we have the usual pre race shenanigans and gardening.

If tracks were prepared more for racing as opposed to super slick, trapping wouldn’t be the be all and end all of the racing.

Follow the leader crap is not what most supporters want to see.

Edited March 11, 2023 by bigcatdiary

[Bagpuss]

Probably an idea to see it in action before condemning it as a bad idea.