Binman Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, mc131 said: No different to most other teams this year stretching the rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, Binman said: No different to most other teams this year stretching the rules Most other teams? Most teams have been built legit and a couple quite under the limit. Leicester have penalised themselves by taking on a 3.00 rider on nearly a 5. Mildy have stretched it with the use of Congreve its only the academy who have pushed the bar a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Islander15 said: I will bring this up again but how can Roynon join on a 6.00 average? He rode in 4 official meetings for Plymouth last season and gained an average of 8.67! https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2022-rider-statistics/ Or by some absurdity if they are ignoring that, then he didn’t officially ride NL last season so his average should be his Championship average doubled. That is now 3.56 * 2 = 7.12. Not 6.00 which he joined the NL on midway through last season. From what I believe when enquired about Roynon they were told he’d be on his 6.00 assessed as was given for Plymouth. As he hadn’t done enough to get a proper average he stays on his assessed one given. Academy just following what the BSPA have decided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: From what I believe when enquired about Roynon they were told he’d be on his 6.00 assessed as was given for Plymouth. As he hadn’t done enough to get a proper average he stays on his assessed one given. Academy just following what the BSPA have decided. That's all you can do really,,, follow the guidance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Binman said: Not really he should never have been given a 6 assessed he's usually been a no1 in nl, but it's what he's on Not Edinburghs fault Edited February 9, 2023 by mc131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr Blobby said: From what I believe when enquired about Roynon they were told he’d be on his 6.00 assessed as was given for Plymouth. As he hadn’t done enough to get a proper average he stays on his assessed one given. Academy just following what the BSPA have decided. 1. The 6.00 wasn’t assessed, it was his Championship average doubled which is how you equate an average when a rider is dropping down. 2. He did do enough meetings last season! He did 4 meetings which is all that is needed to get a new average. 3. Like I said previously, if for some reason they’re ignoring last season, then he should drop down on his current Championship average doubled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, Islander15 said: 1. The 6.00 wasn’t assessed, it was his Championship average doubled which is how you equate an average when a rider is dropping down. 2. He did do enough meetings last season! He did 4 meetings which is all that is needed to get a new average. 3. Like I said previously, if for some reason they’re ignoring last season, then he should drop down on his current Championship average doubled. The big joke is the ignoring of the forth meeting, boughan didnt get that luxury and saw his average nearly double which must have had an impact on his bargaining power and hurts Leicesters team building capabilities 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: The big joke is the ignoring of the forth meeting, boughan didnt get that luxury and saw his average nearly double which must have had an impact on his bargaining power and hurts Leicesters team building capabilities Exactly and there must be consistency within the application of the rules, to uphold the integrity of the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Islander15 said: Exactly and there must be consistency within the application of the rules, to uphold the integrity of the sport. What integrity ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: The big joke is the ignoring of the forth meeting, boughan didnt get that luxury and saw his average nearly double which must have had an impact on his bargaining power and hurts Leicesters team building capabilities And the 4 meeting rule blocked my rider from competing at the end of the year. Constantly told soon as a wheel is turned in the 4th meeting an average for the following season would be applied 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 5 hours ago, mc131 said: Does it really matter at least he's got a ride in the championship & NDL as a few will miss out & I for 1 would love to see him in a diamonds race bib this season but sadly that's never going to happen in the foreseeable is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Roynon shouldn't really be in this league should he, but he'll earn a stack of cash, double his average and lap most of the riders.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, The Dog said: Roynon shouldn't really be in this league should he, but he'll earn a stack of cash, double his average and lap most of the riders.... Based on what? Good experienced rider who will help progress the younger guys in the team. What every team needs. Double his average and lap most of the riders. We are talking about Adam roynon here and not Tai Woffinden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: Based on what? Good experienced rider who will help progress the younger guys in the team. What every team needs. Double his average and lap most of the riders. We are talking about Adam roynon here and not Tai Woffinden. Personally think it's good to have British riders like Adam in the league sets the bar for the younger ones to reach. Not sure it's the correct average he's been given but I'm sure someone can get the exact reason why it's a 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Islander15 said: Brits do not get a reduction in the NL. Prior to this season they were all British. Similarly you don’t take a British reduction off the Championship average before doubling, you just double it. A simple no would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said: Does it really matter at least he's got a ride in the championship & NDL as a few will miss out & I for 1 would love to see him in a diamonds race bib this season but sadly that's never going to happen in the foreseeable is it No issue with him in nl its the 6 average when he should b 8+ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Dog said: Roynon shouldn't really be in this league should he, but he'll earn a stack of cash, double his average and lap most of the riders.... Thats a bit optimistic, i don't recall any riders being lapped last year (unless for fall/mistake) and thats counting top number 1's out with rookie reserves. From what i saw of Adam he isn't a top number 1 and i don't think he will put much more than a point or so on his average (still useful enough) but if you compare to other middle order riders on similar/higher averages Hagon, Woolley, Spooner etc he looks a good deal better. Edited February 10, 2023 by Sings4Speedway added a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, The Dog said: Roynon shouldn't really be in this league should he, but he'll earn a stack of cash, double his average and lap most of the riders.... He’s eligible for this league so it’s fine him being in it. He’s a high quality rider and he has a high average that reflects that, but that must be used. Not a middle order average. The issue is he should’ve been competing for a team place against the likes of Jenkins, Edwards, Bickley, the Thompsons, Stoneman, Shanes etc and not against Spooner, Perry, Hagon, Scott, Trigger, Kingston, Warren etc. Edited February 10, 2023 by Islander15 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukebox Romeo Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 Roynon’s 2023 average is 6.00 because his NDL MA, per the final issue of 2022 averages, was 6.00. Final averages would have been agreed by all teams at the NDL AGM. That part seems fairly straightforward to me. The reason his final 2022 average was 6.00 is where there could be some confusion. From memory, it was decided last season that the Plymouth vs Armadale match would not count towards the averages due to it being a meaningless match so late in the season and therefore potentially open to manipulation (again, from recollection I believe the same thing happened with Plymouth vs Glasgow in the Championship). Now, whether you agree with that decision or not is very much up for debate (I certainly don’t as it sets a dangerous precedent), but ultimately that was the decision that was made by the governing body at the time. If I am remembering any of this incorrectly then someone please feel free to correct me,. Whatever your view on whether that match should have counted towards the averages, I’m not sure that Edinburgh or Roynon can take any criticism here with regard to the 2023 season. Every team in the league knew his final average, he was available to them all. And Roynon is willing to do a 600-mile round trip to race NDL which should be commended. I’m also not sure what people think the pay rates are in the NDL but I would severely doubt he will make ‘a stack’ of money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jukebox Romeo said: Roynon’s 2023 average is 6.00 because his NDL MA, per the final issue of 2022 averages, was 6.00. Final averages would have been agreed by all teams at the NDL AGM. That part seems fairly straightforward to me. The reason his final 2022 average was 6.00 is where there could be some confusion. From memory, it was decided last season that the Plymouth vs Armadale match would not count towards the averages due to it being a meaningless match so late in the season and therefore potentially open to manipulation (again, from recollection I believe the same thing happened with Plymouth vs Glasgow in the Championship). Now, whether you agree with that decision or not is very much up for debate (I certainly don’t as it sets a dangerous precedent), but ultimately that was the decision that was made by the governing body at the time. If I am remembering any of this incorrectly then someone please feel free to correct me,. Whatever your view on whether that match should have counted towards the averages, I’m not sure that Edinburgh or Roynon can take any criticism here with regard to the 2023 season. Every team in the league knew his final average, he was available to them all. And Roynon is willing to do a 600-mile round trip to race NDL which should be commended. I’m also not sure what people think the pay rates are in the NDL but I would severely doubt he will make ‘a stack’ of money. Don’t know what the pay rates are in NDL ,but with the riders in that Academy Team the crowd levels will certainly not be enough to pay them .IMO Must have good sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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