Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, Pauldoveyspeedway said: He wouldn't hold is own with the current crop of GP riders ....They dont give an inch in those GPs.. Do you actually read the thread before you respond? Second message you've totally missed the point. Nobody said he was GP level, it was mentioned he wasn't in the GP qualifiers. Big, big difference in quality between that and the GP itself. I'm saying he's good enough to be in the qualifiers, not the GP (which he isn't). Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Exactly ......well said ... Sam is to much of a gentlemen .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Kurtz, C.Holder, Tungate are levels above Masters. 4th on the list isn't worthy when Doyle, Fricke & J.Holder are already GP rider's. Think about it this way, like (potentially) Ipswich has Doyle & Sayfutdinov, Belle Vue Bewley & Kurtz, Peterborough C.Holder & Pedersen, for example, where would Masters be if Lindgren & Woffinden were available to Wolves?? The answer would prove Masters ISN'T a genuine No1, even at Premiership level. Secondly, there wouldn't be many takers for Masters on his average at any other Premiership club Good grief, this response is based on more hearsay than Myleene Klass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bojangles said: Do you actually read the thread before you respond? Second message you've totally missed the point. Nobody said he was GP level, it was mentioned he wasn't in the GP qualifiers. Big, big difference in quality between that and the GP itself. I'm saying he's good enough to be in the qualifiers, not the GP (which he isn't). Sigh. If he was an out and out number 1....he'd make the GPs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bojangles said: Nobody said he was the best did they? They said he was a number 1, or am I missing something? Ok then ....not the best number 1 .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Anyone calling Masters a genuine No1 has clearly had to much drink over the holidays. A genuine No1 doesn't also ride Championship speedway, they'd be in the top leagues on the continent. Masters is boosted by his home track. Away averages including BP's in 22; Doyle 9.87 Musielak 8.42 Kurtz 8.19 Fricke 8.10 Masters 8.09 From that list only Doyle & Fricke can be considered genuine No1's. Fast forward to 23 & (predicted) incomers of C.Holder, Iversen, Pedersen, Sayfutdinov, Masters should slip down the order. His only saving grace will be his home track & no rider's within his own team to challenge the No1 jersey. Whereas, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Peterborough, Ipswich (with predicted incomings) have genuine challenges from within their own team to be the No1. Holder Iversen Pedersen are over the hill and all easily beatable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Holder Iversen Pedersen are over the hill and all easily beatable. Say that to N.Pedersen....still box office at his age .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Kurtz, C.Holder, Tungate are levels above Masters. 4th on the list isn't worthy when Doyle, Fricke & J.Holder are already GP rider's. Think about it this way, like (potentially) Ipswich has Doyle & Sayfutdinov, Belle Vue Bewley & Kurtz, Peterborough C.Holder & Pedersen, for example, where would Masters be if Lindgren & Woffinden were available to Wolves?? The answer would prove Masters ISN'T a genuine No1, even at Premiership level. Secondly, there wouldn't be many takers for Masters on his average at any other Premiership club sure Chris Louis would take him plus Hume, Masters rides Foxhall really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: sure Chris Louis would take him plus Hume, Masters rides Foxhall really well Wouldn't swop him for Doyle tho ...especially heats 13 and 15 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Anyone calling Masters a genuine No1 has clearly had to much drink over the holidays. A genuine No1 doesn't also ride Championship speedway, they'd be in the top leagues on the continent. Masters is boosted by his home track. Away averages including BP's in 22; Doyle 9.87 Musielak 8.42 Kurtz 8.19 Fricke 8.10 Masters 8.09 From that list only Doyle & Fricke can be considered genuine No1's. Fast forward to 23 & (predicted) incomers of C.Holder, Iversen, Pedersen, Sayfutdinov, Masters should slip down the order. His only saving grace will be his home track & no rider's within his own team to challenge the No1 jersey. Whereas, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Peterborough, Ipswich (with predicted incomings) have genuine challenges from within their own team to be the No1. Strange you should point out his away average of 8.09 (that’s not too shabby by the way) he finished the season with an average of 8.00 overall which would suggest his home form is comparable surely. Add to that he was carrying an injury for a couple of months I don’t think there’s much to complain about really. Sam is massively under-rated in my opinion, last season was his best by a long way, and I for one am quite happy to have him as our no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Strange you should point out his away average of 8.09 (that’s not too shabby by the way) he finished the season with an average of 8.00 overall which would suggest his home form is comparable surely. Add to that he was carrying an injury for a couple of months I don’t think there’s much to complain about really. Sam is massively under-rated in my opinion, last season was his best by a long way, and I for one am quite happy to have him as our no 1 But there's better...compared to J.Doyle....A genuine number 1....wouldn't see him in the championship....To be the best u need to race against them .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Wouldn't swop him for Doyle tho ...especially heats 13 and 15 ... Personally I wouldn’t swap Sam for Doyle, I think it’s near impossible to build a title winning team with one rider on such a high average. Strength in depth is key, hopefully we have that next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, Pauldoveyspeedway said: But there's better...compared to J.Doyle....A genuine number 1....wouldn't see him in the championship....To be the best u need to race against them .... Do you understand what a number 1 is? Means you need to be one of the best (seven last year, now eight) riders in the league. If the league is weak, you don’t need to be in the GPs to be a number 1. It’s a simple maths equation! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bojangles said: Do you understand what a number 1 is? Means you need to be one of the best (seven last year, now eight) riders in the league. If the league is weak, you don’t need to be in the GPs to be a number 1. It’s a simple maths equation! There's number 1s and number 1s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: There's number 1s and number 1s... In your head perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: There's number 1s and number 1s... Ok ...he is a number 1 in a weak league ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Ok ...he is a number 1 in a weak league ... At last! Now you’ve got it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Personally I wouldn’t swap Sam for Doyle, I think it’s near impossible to build a title winning team with one rider on such a high average. Strength in depth is key, hopefully we have that next year. I agree Doyle takes to much of the averages up ....lets hope ....get the reserves going and we will be fine ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: But there's better...compared to J.Doyle....A genuine number 1....wouldn't see him in the championship....To be the best u need to race against them .... Agreed there’s better but tell me how you would build a title winning team with 1 rider taking 25% of the available amount. Freddy, Jacob and Tai don’t do Uk anymore, tell me someone else who would ride Monmore as well as Sam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Call me wolfie said: Agreed there’s better but tell me how you would build a title winning team with 1 rider taking 25% of the available amount. Freddy, Jacob and Tai don’t do Uk anymore, tell me someone else who would ride Monmore as well as Sam? True....its a shame we cant attract more stars to these shores..its down to money ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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