Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bojangles said: In your head perhaps. Good at home ....away not so sure .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Good at home ....away not so sure .... Give me woffy or Freddy anyday .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) It seems many don't understand team makeup & averages when it comes to understanding a No1 & a genuine No1. Take King's Lynn also, Klindt is our No1 but he's not a genuine No1. There is no way any other team would take him over what they have. For me, King's Lynn & Wolverhampton are the only teams to have rider's that are not genuine No1's Edited January 4, 2023 by Daniel Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: It seems many don't understand team makeup & averages when it comes to understanding a No1 & a genuine No1. There are many ways to build a title winning team, just look at the Panthers in 2021. A GP rider isn’t a pre requisite. I would have thought that by having an average of 8.41 at the end of September having spent the entire season at No 1 was enough to justify the position, or do you not agree? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: It seems many don't understand team makeup & averages when it comes to understanding a No1 & a genuine No1. Take King's Lynn also, Klindt is our No1 but he's not a genuine No1. There is no way any other team would take him over what they have. For me, King's Lynn & Wolverhampton are the only teams to have rider's that are not genuine No1's This all stemmed from arnieg asking how Masters could not be considered a number 1? Why do you keep going on about genuine number 1s? Facts are Masters had the second highest average last year (exc bonus), and the fifth highest away average. In a league with seven teams, it seems pretty crazy anybody could say that he’s not. As for if he’s a genuine number 1, I’ll let you debate that with yourself as you’re the only one who keeps mentioning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 4, 2023 Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Anyone calling Masters a genuine No1 has clearly had to much drink over the holidays. A genuine No1 doesn't also ride Championship speedway, they'd be in the top leagues on the continent. Masters is boosted by his home track. Away averages including BP's in 22; Doyle 9.87 Musielak 8.42 Kurtz 8.19 Fricke 8.10 Masters 8.09 From that list only Doyle & Fricke can be considered genuine No1's. Fast forward to 23 & (predicted) incomers of C.Holder, Iversen, Pedersen, Sayfutdinov, Masters should slip down the order. His only saving grace will be his home track & no rider's within his own team to challenge the No1 jersey. Whereas, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Peterborough, Ipswich (with predicted incomings) have genuine challenges from within their own team to be the No1. I must say I didn’t realise the difference in being a no 1 and a genuine no 1 was a massive 0.01, Sam really must try harder next year, disgraceful. For gods sake, you couldn’t make some of this rubbish up. Why only Doyle and Fricke? Oh let me guess, because they’re in the GP’s. Edited January 4, 2023 by Call me wolfie 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: If he was an out and out number 1....he'd make the GPs.... I'm sure everyone would admit Jason Doyle is an out & out number one, but he's not qualified for the GPs in the last two seasons (relied on a seeded spot) so can't use that as an example to suggest Masters isn't an out & out number one imo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Kurtz, C.Holder, Tungate are levels above Masters. 4th on the list isn't worthy when Doyle, Fricke & J.Holder are already GP rider's. Think about it this way, like (potentially) Ipswich has Doyle & Sayfutdinov, Belle Vue Bewley & Kurtz, Peterborough C.Holder & Pedersen, for example, where would Masters be if Lindgren & Woffinden were available to Wolves?? The answer would prove Masters ISN'T a genuine No1, even at Premiership level. Secondly, there wouldn't be many takers for Masters on his average at any other Premiership club This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tommy Sweetman said: This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. S.Masters is a good rider but wont mix it into the first bend ..........not like Fast Freddy or N.Pedersen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Tommy Sweetman said: This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. Shows how little knowledge of the sport you have if you can't see Tungate is levels above Masters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Shows how little knowledge of the sport you have if you can't see Tungate is levels above Masters You’ve gotta be on a wind up here surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: You’ve gotta be on a wind up here surely? Either that or on the shandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, 89buttons said: Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks Hes just a dangerous little throttle jockey on smaller tracks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, 89buttons said: Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Irving said: Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. There is probably one... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 5, 2023 Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. In terms of number 1’s in the league as an Ipswich fan I’d only take Doyle and bewley ahead of masters at Ipswich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Blupanther said: There is probably one... Masters over tungate anyday ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, 89buttons said: In terms of number 1’s in the league as an Ipswich fan I’d only take Doyle and bewley ahead of masters at Ipswich Thats at Ipswich tho .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 Sheffield look the best and its between Wolves and Kings Lynn as the worst... Wolves have a massive home advantage which should see them finish second from bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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