YerRopes Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: It’s always interesting how others view the Poole team. To me we look a notch above all other teams. No weak link like last season. Two top performers, two young Aussies who improved massively as last season progressed, an up and coming Brit at number two who proved his capabilities at Oxford last season and two experienced riders at reserve capable of whipping the arses of most of the other named reserves. I get the feeling that many on here don’t yet realise the full potential of the Cook brothers and view them as 5-6 point average riders easily beaten by their counterparts. If that’s the case I see why some are viewing the Poole team as not looking special. When Poole realised they couldn't compete at the top level anymore they dropped down a league. That move has been successful, you can't argue with their results. The Pirates will do what's necessary to be up there this year, no matter how ruthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, YerRopes said: When Poole realised they couldn't compete at the top level anymore they dropped down a league. That move has been successful, you can't argue with their results. The Pirates will do what's necessary to be up there this year, no matter how ruthless. Was nothing to do with not being able to compete, it was to do with fixed race night's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 hours ago, ragdoll64 said: Obsessed!!!…… Wouldn’t say he is obsessed senile maybe deluded definitely. Thinking about it for 10 seconds there you are correct he is also obsessed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, YerRopes said: When Poole realised they couldn't compete at the top level anymore they dropped down a league. That move has been successful, you can't argue with their results. The Pirates will do what's necessary to be up there this year, no matter how ruthless. Remind us all again where Poole finished in the Premiership seasons before going Championship!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 hours ago, YerRopes said: When Poole realised they couldn't compete at the top level anymore they dropped down a league. That move has been successful, you can't argue with their results. The Pirates will do what's necessary to be up there this year, no matter how ruthless. The last time Poole failed to qualify for the playoffs in any league was I think 2009, but then went on a bit of a run after that to say the least.. Even in 2019 the year before dropping down, they finished top of the Premiership so I think we can say they’ve been pretty consistently competitive… It was move race night or move leagues when the FIM insisted Mon and Thurs for British top league racing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 To be honest I couldn’t care less how many play offs they have managed . I was under the impression that it was a prediction 23 thread not another look at us thread , there are plenty off those on here already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Wee Eck said: So many riders are being predicted to put a point of a couple of points on their averages. Where are all these extra points coming from? Or who are the riders expected to drop their averages? Other than Thomas Jorgensen whose converted average is simply too high to be maintained. 14 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Teams are built to a 40 point limit, by the end of the season should average out at 42, so each rider technically should put 0.3ish on their average without improving as a rider. 11 hours ago, Wee Eck said: Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. (But I still think there’ll be a few disappointments when it comes to raising averages, or rather not raising averages) Some riders look like obvious choices to up their averages, such as MPT who has a 6.8 Champ ave & a 6.9 Prem ave. So surely he must be able to up his Champ ave? I read others suggest Jake Allen could easily up his average, but I see no "evidence" to support this as he's been on a downward run in recent years, same as Cameron Heeps. In other situations you can expect a rider to up his average by virtue of having an easier riding position in 2023, like Brennan, Vissing, Charles Wright, who should all score more away from the 1&5 positions! You could also argue the likes of Pearson, Fredriksen & Hook should improve as they get used to tracks in their second season, although they could all up their 2022 aves & still finish below their assessed aves! Finally there's the likes of Jonas Knudsen & Marcin Nowak, who didn't ride enough meetings to get a new ave, but we're scoring above their assessed averages. Edited December 23, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, YerRopes said: When Poole realised they couldn't compete at the top level anymore they dropped down a league. That move has been successful, you can't argue with their results. The Pirates will do what's necessary to be up there this year, no matter how ruthless. Oh look a Swindon fan with their half truths, no wonder there are a couple of bites to it. 34 minutes ago, IanBrannan said: The last time Poole failed to qualify for the playoffs in any league was I think 2009, but then went on a bit of a run after that to say the least.. Even in 2019 the year before dropping down, they finished top of the Premiership so I think we can say they’ve been pretty consistently competitive… It was move race night or move leagues when the FIM insisted Mon and Thurs for British top league racing. An objective view who also isn't a Poole fan (but if he wants to be one that is fine too ) 4 minutes ago, Gazc said: To be honest I couldn’t care less how many play offs they have managed . I was under the impression that it was a prediction 23 thread not another look at us thread , there are plenty off those on here already. Threads change topics all the time, it will soon get back on topic. But I started the thread and I am fine with myths being proven as wrong as they appear to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Oh look a Swindon fan with their half truths, no wonder there are a couple of bites to it. An objective view who also isn't a Poole fan (but if he wants to be one that is fine too ) Threads change topics all the time, it will soon get back on topic. But I started the thread and I am fine with myths being proven as wrong as they appear to be! They usually change topic to Poole are pure great so we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Some riders look like obvious choices to up their averages, such as MPT who has a 6.8 Champ ave & a 6.9 Prem ave. So surely he must be able to up his Champ ave? I read others suggest Jake Allen could easily up his average, but I see no "evidence" to support this as he's been on a downward run in recent years, same as Cameron Heeps. In other situations you can expect a rider to up his average by virtue of having an easier riding position in 2023, like Brennan, Vissing, Charles Wright, who should all score more away from the 1&5 positions! You could also argue the likes of Pearson, Fredriksen & Hook should improve as they get used to tracks in their second season, although they could all up their 2022 aves & still finish below their assessed aves! Finally there's the likes of Jonas Knudsen & Marcin Nowak, who didn't ride enough meetings to get a new ave, but we're scoring above their assessed averages. Jake Allen got injured mid way through last season probably contributed to his current average of 6.30, his previous 4 seasons in CL he has averaged between 7 and 8. He did seem to lack some of his old speed last year maybe his engines weren't up to standard. Jakes only 27 I doubt his average is on the slide yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 I thought this was a predictions thread, not yet another one talking about all things Poole! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, torpointfanatic22 said: I thought this was a predictions thread, not yet another one talking about all things Poole! You have just added to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Arthur54 said: You have just added to it How has he added to it he asked a genuine question and he is correct. There is not a thread you haven’t hijacked at some point. There are two threads relevant Poole 2023 and the most important one why does everyone hate Poole. Edited December 24, 2022 by Gazc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 I predict a ( riot), Berwick to finish the place below playoffs.(as usual) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 For 2023 i predict a year of bad weather, a 2-month unexpected break during the two hottest months of the year and the standard of food at most tracks to become much, much worse. Merry Christmas everyone!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nickinho said: For 2023 i predict a year of bad weather, a 2-month unexpected break during the two hottest months of the year and the standard of food at most tracks to become much, much worse. Merry Christmas everyone!!! That's not a prediction that's a fact lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 Updated predictions of the completed teams: Redcar Glasgow Scunthorpe Edinburgh Berwick Oxford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 19 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Oh look a Swindon fan with their half truths, no wonder there are a couple of bites to it. Tbh Lisa, I thought it a very complementary post re Poole. For whatever reasons, Poole cannot compete in the top league anymore. Sadly, neither can Swindon.. However, your success has continued in the Championship. Poole are ruthless at times, but that is what has brought you so many trophies over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, YerRopes said: Tbh Lisa, I thought it a very complementary post re Poole. For whatever reasons, Poole cannot compete in the top league anymore. Sadly, neither can Swindon.. However, your success has continued in the Championship. Poole are ruthless at times, but that is what has brought you so many trophies over the years. It's not a case of 'cannot compete' more 'don't want to' as Danny Ford said on Wednesday the Prem is always a possibility but not with the restrictions on racenights. Nothing is forever. In fact he did mention in passing that the Prem in 2024 may even have 8 teams, just didn't say that Poole would be one of them. Edited December 24, 2022 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: It's not a case of 'cannot compete' more 'don't want to' as Danny Ford said on Wednesday the Prem is always a possibility but not with the restrictions on racenights. Nothing is forever. In fact he did mention in passing that the Prem in 2024 may even have 8 teams, just didn't say that Poole would be one of them. Let's hope the race night issue can be resolved then. I know the Scandinavian Wednesday meetings don't help matters. The PL needs at least 8 teams to be taken remotely seriously, hopefully the gradual return of Polish EL riders will help. Btw, you'll be up there again in 2023. Edited December 24, 2022 by YerRopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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