Bojangles Posted July 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 10:10 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Hard to argue against them being strong favourites without him anyway. Expand This is true. And it could potentially make them very strong again next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 Whilst fully within the rules (for what they are worth) keeping Killeen in the 1-7 despite the numerous changes isn't really in the spirit of NL racing....although most other clubs would do the same. Not convinced the latest move is going to strengthen the side but its probably a less risky option than sticking with RR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 10:38 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Whilst fully within the rules (for what they are worth) keeping Killeen in the 1-7 despite the numerous changes isn't really in the spirit of NL racing....although most other clubs would do the same. Not convinced the latest move is going to strengthen the side but its probably a less risky option than sticking with RR. Expand Oxford obtain no advantage given he's on 3.00 average. Sam Woods/James Laker will score the same points whether they are a guest or named no 7.. However Signing, and then operating rider replacement for Kelsey Dugard after just one and a half meetings is another discussion. But by replacing RR for Dugard (extra rides for Kinsley,Scott and Clouting) with Jason Garrad they have weakened their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 10:52 AM, arnieg said: Oxford obtain no advantage given he's on 3.00 average. Sam Woods/James Laker will score the same points whether they are a guest or named no 7.. However Signing, and then operating rider replacement for Kelsey Dugard after just one and a half meetings is another discussion. But by replacing RR for Dugard (extra rides for Kinsley,Scott and Clouting) with Jason Garrad they have weakened their team. Expand They've never replaced RR with Jason Garrad have they? Garrad was used as a replacement for Killeen against Kent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 11:18 AM, Bojangles said: They've never replaced RR with Jason Garrad have they? Garrad was used as a replacement for Killeen against Kent. Expand Yes they have, look at the latest issue of the Greensheets. (Oddly I could see no announcement about this on Oxford's social media so I can see how you missed it I did too until I picked up this thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 11:24 AM, arnieg said: Yes they have, look at the latest issue of the Greensheets. (Oddly I could see no announcement about this on Oxford's social media so I can see how you missed it I did too until I picked up this thread) Expand Really? Crikey. I didn't realise that. In that case, totally agree, it does make them weaker. And you're right, I haven't seen an announcement either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInTheDHSS Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 11:24 AM, arnieg said: Yes they have, look at the latest issue of the Greensheets. (Oddly I could see no announcement about this on Oxford's social media so I can see how you missed it I did too until I picked up this thread) Expand That's a strange move. Why not replace Killeen with Garrad, and keep the R/R for Dugard? Makes them much stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 12:07 PM, BackInTheDHSS said: That's a strange move. Why not replace Killeen with Garrad, and keep the R/R for Dugard? Makes them much stronger. Expand Excellent point. Clouting and Garrad at reserve is far stronger than Garrad and unattached guest. Kinsley and Scott alone would have likely got 4-6 from RR then everything else is a bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 Unless Garrad has been signed as a 28 day injury replacement for Dugard? Whilst they don’t want to remove Killeen from their team incase he’s fit for the play-off final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilly Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 1:21 PM, Islander15 said: Unless Garrad has been signed as a 28 day injury replacement for Dugard? Whilst they don’t want to remove Killeen from their team incase he’s fit for the play-off final. Expand Only a home match on 26th coming up, would seem a bit pointless. Does seem a strange move thou, a definite backward step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 10:52 AM, arnieg said: Oxford obtain no advantage given he's on 3.00 average. Sam Woods/James Laker will score the same points whether they are a guest or named no 7.. However Signing, and then operating rider replacement for Kelsey Dugard after just one and a half meetings is another discussion. But by replacing RR for Dugard (extra rides for Kinsley,Scott and Clouting) with Jason Garrad they have weakened their team. Expand Cannot understand why they have done that, be interesting to see the reasoning behind that. Certainly makes them a lot weaker for me, especially moving Clouting from the reserve berth too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzum Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) On 7/7/2023 at 11:25 PM, szkocjasid said: Cannot understand why they have done that, be interesting to see the reasoning behind that. Certainly makes them a lot weaker for me, especially moving Clouting from the reserve berth too! Expand In last night’s programme, Schroeck says “ Kelsey Dugard is really struggling with a ligament injury and he shouldn’t ride again this season. He only did a couple of meetings for us, and we didn’t want to get into an Eddie Kennett type situation where we were taking advantage of rider replacement for a rider who has hardly ridden for us, especially in the National League, which is all about rider development. He then goes on to say why Garrad. He also mentions they are monitoring the Killeen situation but are not writing off his season quite yet. Edited July 13, 2023 by Anzum Correcting auto correct! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 6:19 PM, Anzum said: In last night’s programme, Schroeck says “ Kelsey Dugard is really struggling with a ligament injury and he shouldn’t ride again this season. He only did a couple of meetings for us, and we didn’t want to get into an Eddie Kennett type situation where we were taking advantage of rider replacement for a rider who has hardly ridden for us, especially in the National League, which is all about rider development. He then goes on to say why Garrad. He also mentions they are monitoring the Killeen situation but are not writing off his season quite yet. Expand Credit to Oxford for that attitude, just feel it could cost them the league title! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 6:19 PM, Anzum said: In last night’s programme, Schroeck says “ Kelsey Dugard is really struggling with a ligament injury and he shouldn’t ride again this season. He only did a couple of meetings for us, and we didn’t want to get into an Eddie Kennett type situation where we were taking advantage of rider replacement for a rider who has hardly ridden for us, especially in the National League, which is all about rider development. He then goes on to say why Garrad. He also mentions they are monitoring the Killeen situation but are not writing off his season quite yet. Expand Why Garrad then? Don't get me wrong he seems like a great option on a 3.00 average and I am glad he's got a team place, just curious as to what Shroeck's take on him is? Think Garrad at reserve could do a decent enough job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzum Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) On 7/13/2023 at 11:52 PM, Diamonds85 said: Why Garrad then? Don't get me wrong he seems like a great option on a 3.00 average and I am glad he's got a team place, just curious as to what Shroeck's take on him is? Think Garrad at reserve could do a decent enough job Expand “ In that league (NL),if there’s a decent rider to bring in, you should, s we’ve signed Jason Garrad, who won heat 2 for us at Kent. Jason has been on our radar for a while, and he will add some experience to the reserve berths.” Edited July 14, 2023 by Anzum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 11:52 PM, Diamonds85 said: Why Garrad then? Don't get me wrong he seems like a great option on a 3.00 average and I am glad he's got a team place, just curious as to what Shroeck's take on him is? Think Garrad at reserve could do a decent enough job Expand He's a local lad, born in Thame I think. Maybe they just want to give him a chance because of that as well? That's one of the reasons they were so keen on Stoneman (born in Wales, but lives in Oxfordshire I believe). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 11:11 PM, szkocjasid said: Credit to Oxford for that attitude, just feel it could cost them the league title! Expand Oxford should make the top two regardless, so maybe Killeen will be back for the playoffs. That would still make them hot favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInTheDHSS Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 7:22 AM, Bojangles said: Oxford should make the top two regardless, so maybe Killeen will be back for the playoffs. That would still make them hot favourites. Expand Exactly. Big IF that Killeen comes back, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 As I understand it a rider that is not contracted can only guest for the same club twice so I think it makes sense to sign Garrard as a fixture & if Killeen is fit for the end of season play offs then the reverse switch can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/15/2023 at 7:45 AM, Technik said: As I understand it a rider that is not contracted can only guest for the same club twice so I think it makes sense to sign Garrard as a fixture & if Killeen is fit for the end of season play offs then the reverse switch can be made. Expand Garrad is in for Dugard, though. Killeen is still part of the line-up. If Killeen is fit before the end of the season, they'll both be in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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