speed1963 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 I am not disappointed with the line up this year although some will be. The matches will be tighter and we may not win them all but at this level I think entertainment and watching riders develop is what it is about. Last year was a disappointment. The team was really strong but didn't deliver; it may be that this year's riders will be a bit more committed. We should have three decent heat leaders, if the final rider is who everyone assumes it will be. I can see Sam Hagon scoring big at the NSS, he looks a good prospect and wanting to get more experience on the bigger tracks. Personally looking forward to Paul Bowen's efforts, always a trier. Hodder should kick on this year and another one who will be worth watching. Really looking forward to the Colts this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, speed1963 said: I am not disappointed with the line up this year although some will be. The matches will be tighter and we may not win them all but at this level I think entertainment and watching riders develop is what it is about. Last year was a disappointment. The team was really strong but didn't deliver; it may be that this year's riders will be a bit more committed. We should have three decent heat leaders, if the final rider is who everyone assumes it will be. I can see Sam Hagon scoring big at the NSS, he looks a good prospect and wanting to get more experience on the bigger tracks. Personally looking forward to Paul Bowen's efforts, always a trier. Hodder should kick on this year and another one who will be worth watching. Really looking forward to the Colts this year. I think the non stand alone tracks need to be more about development... No point in creating "professional juniors" who spend their careers riding NDL and can just about compete at reserve in the Championship... The non stand alone clubs in particular should be about unearthing talent that could maybe become "first teamers" further down the line, or be able to generate loan fees or transfer values later in their careers.. Let's he honest, even winning the Premiership delivers hardly any wider publicity outside of the Speedway bubble, so winning one of the other two titles resonates even less, with the NDL very much the least of the three, therefore development of future British talent to take team places higher up the ladder has to be a key fundamental principle part of their model... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 5 hours ago, mikebv said: I think the non stand alone tracks need to be more about development... No point in creating "professional juniors" who spend their careers riding NDL and can just about compete at reserve in the Championship... The non stand alone clubs in particular should be about unearthing talent that could maybe become "first teamers" further down the line, or be able to generate loan fees or transfer values later in their careers.. Let's he honest, even winning the Premiership delivers hardly any wider publicity outside of the Speedway bubble, so winning one of the other two titles resonates even less, with the NDL very much the least of the three, therefore development of future British talent to take team places higher up the ladder has to be a key fundamental principle part of their model... To be fair to the Colts teams of the past that has been the mantra but this years crop really does look a bit of a crock. Hodder was the surprise package for me last season and deserves another year but where is the remainder of the improvement coming from? I really don't see it from Hagon. Marson, Muff and Bowen are at their level, yes they might add a bit to their averages with the big home advantage but not enough to offset the poor away score. Smith is what he is, a NSS expert, top end NL but can't hack the step up and Pearson is just present for laps but how much benefit is their really to British speedway by giving a space to an Aussie over a Brit? The team will probably do what it did last year with plenty of home wins (but be pushed much harder) and get naff all away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Known as the National League, its official name is the National Development League. This is the entry level dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. The above is from SCB regulations 2022. Everyone can appreciate that an experienced older rider is vital to every team to enhance the development of younger riders in their team. But professional juniors who will never rise out of this level is farcical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, secsy1 said: Known as the National League, its official name is the National Development League. This is the entry level dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. The above is from SCB regulations 2022. Everyone can appreciate that an experienced older rider is vital to every team to enhance the development of younger riders in their team. But professional juniors who will never rise out of this level is farcical! But what if they just want to do nl level? Interested to no why someone just doing nl speedway is farcical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, secsy1 said: Known as the National League, its official name is the National Development League. This is the entry level dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. The above is from SCB regulations 2022. Everyone can appreciate that an experienced older rider is vital to every team to enhance the development of younger riders in their team. But professional juniors who will never rise out of this level is farcical! Entry level? That depends which door you are using. MDSL / Northern junior league is Entry level, where the riders pay their own way. The NDL is the third level of professional speedway, there to develop riders further in theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, secsy1 said: Known as the National League, its official name is the National Development League. This is the entry level dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. The above is from SCB regulations 2022. Everyone can appreciate that an experienced older rider is vital to every team to enhance the development of younger riders in their team. But professional juniors who will never rise out of this level is farcical! Yet they are allowing Aussies/New Zealanders into the League in 2023 ? !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 As Paul Bowen is an advocate of the electric bikes, would he be allowed to ride one in an NDL meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Paul Bowen is an alright signing, plenty character in the pits, decent rider on a 3 something average Luke Muff, I seriously don't understand all the hype... Unreliable, bad attitude, not even got very much potential... As you can tell he has swindled me (and many others) in the past, very disappointing side put out by the Colts this year, and it started off so well with Jack Smith, Sam Hagon and Matt Marson... Freddie Hodder looks a good prospect too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 12 hours ago, Triple.H. said: As Paul Bowen is an advocate of the electric bikes, would he be allowed to ride one in an NDL meeting ? Would require a complete re-write of the rulebook to be allowed in. Maybe some demo races after a meeting could be arranged though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Would require a complete re-write of the rulebook to be allowed in. Maybe some demo races after a meeting could be arranged though? I'd be interested to see that, I've seen an electric moto x bike on a practice track with a pretty good rider on board and was quite impressive. Think the gap will be wider on a speedway bike, but would be interesting to see, in a demo not a mix of machines obviously. Edited March 10, 2023 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) James Pearson signs https://twitter.com/TheAces/status/1634130512951361536 Edited March 10, 2023 by RoundTheBoards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Decent top 2, not a great team tho be some heavy defeats on the road 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, gazzac said: I'd be interested to see that, I've seen an electric moto x bike on a practice track with a pretty good rider on board and was quite impressive. Think the gap will be wider on a speedway bike, but would be interesting to see, in a demo not a mix of machines obviously. I would think on the bigger wider circuits Methanol power would be a distance ahead but on something smaller and more technical like Eastbourne the gap could be closer potentially less time lost on the corners and better torque off the bends with electric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I would think on the bigger wider circuits Methanol power would be a distance ahead but on something smaller and more technical like Eastbourne the gap could be closer potentially less time lost on the corners and better torque off the bends with electric That's what I think and would be interesting to see, especially at a small track like Arlington, may even be in front at bend one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Maybe I'm missing something here, but it all surely depends on the power output of said electric bike, no? A more powerful e bike would beat a 500cc speedway bike, a lesser-powered one wouldn't. What power outputs are you basing the above on? Speedway bikes are currently limited to 500cc, I'd have thought it's up the authorities to come up with a (hopefully) similar limit on e bike power before they start mixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bojangles said: Maybe I'm missing something here, but it all surely depends on the power output of said electric bike, no? A more powerful e bike would beat a 500cc speedway bike, a lesser-powered one wouldn't. What power outputs are you basing the above on? Speedway bikes are currently limited to 500cc, I'd have thought it's up the authorities to come up with a (hopefully) similar limit on e bike power before they start mixing. It's a real interesting conundrum, methanol bikes apparently about 75/85 hp, which would be pretty good for an electric motor in a motorbike, but torque especially comes into it so would imagine wouldn't be much between them, who'd have thought a few years ago the fastest road cars on the planet would be electric. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) no clutch so maybe be at a disadvantage from the start the power on e-bikes is really on or off like a switch not really good for throttle control Edited March 10, 2023 by mac101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mac101 said: no clutch so maybe be at a disadvantage from the start the power on e-bikes is really on or off like a switch not really good for throttle control Or like a hand drill with a variable speed control on the trigger maybe? I'm sure the moto cross bike I saw had plenty of variation. Edited March 10, 2023 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, gazzac said: Or like a hand drill with a variable speed control on the trigger maybe? I'm sure the moto cross bike I saw had plenty of variation. the mx bike only has speed settings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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