JCookie Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) A worrying article on a Polish website about FIM supporting the need to halve the emissions from speedway by 2030, and then eliminate them entirely by 2040. It sounds like it has the general support of our current SGP overlords too. https://przegladsportowy.onet.pl/zuzel/zuzel-fim-wydal-szokujacy-komunikat-z-zuzla-ktory-znamy-nic-nie-zostanie/fdbjr3n Hopefully it'll go the way of most of these commitments, but the vultures are circling I think, and we're probably not the only motorsport. Sad. Edited November 28, 2022 by JCookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JCookie Posted November 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, iris123 said: Wonderful eh? I wouldn't open my curtains to watch electric speedway in my back garden. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Think it is better to have electric speedway, than no speedway at all Quite honestly, as long as the racing is close i couldn't care less what is powering the bikes 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, JCookie said: Wonderful eh? I wouldn't open my curtains to watch electric speedway in my back garden. Such a narrow minded view. Granted it won’t be the same, but to go from enjoying speedway (as I presume you do if you’re on this forum) to not watching it in your ‘back garden’ just because the bikes are electric is a bit crazy. What have you got such a big problem with that you’d completely flip like that? Noise? Smell? All motor sports will need to evolve over the coming years, and speedway is no different. If the bikes need to be electric, so be it, I will still be watching (admittedly while no doubt reminiscing of the past). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 It could well in the Uk, also open up new urban stadia t the sport. Whatever we might think, noisy motorsports are under threat. Stock cars included. And Greyhounds are also looking more and more like they are on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted November 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bojangles said: Such a narrow minded view. Granted it won’t be the same, but to go from enjoying speedway (as I presume you do if you’re on this forum) to not watching it in your ‘back garden’ just because the bikes are electric is a bit crazy. What have you got such a big problem with that you’d completely flip like that? Noise? Smell? All motor sports will need to evolve over the coming years, and speedway is no different. If the bikes need to be electric, so be it, I will still be watching (admittedly while no doubt reminiscing of the past). That's your opinion, just like I have mine, not sure why you feel the need to call it narrow minded. I'm not old enough to have followed speedway back in the 70/80s, so I don't know what it was like back then to compare, but it's still broadly the same sport as now. Electric speedway would be completely different. I do enjoy the noise I have to say. The smell has pretty much gone in recent years. I just enjoy that speedway is pretty much a raw motorsport and I'd rather it stayed that way. Maybe I'd change my opinion if/when it happens but I'm not sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 This was actually a press release by Discovery, just to de bunk this, at no point did they say they would want to get rid of methanol or that the end was nigh. They said they wanted the whole SGP circus to be more sustainable, transport, logistics and the meetings themselves. They are aiming for net zero by 2040, not zero emissions. Which means they would have to contribute on some way to offset their carbon levels. They also said that methanol is one of the least polluting fossil fuels, but they can improve things further. To me, having seen the statement from source in English, it’s more to do with carbon levels associated with meetings. Flying, trucking gear around from one end of Europe to another. And can they make it work so they’re doing less miles by say making rounds happen in a logical order geographically. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, IanBrannan said: This was actually a press release by Discovery, just to de bunk this, at no point did they say they would want to get rid of methanol or that the end was nigh. They said they wanted the whole SGP circus to be more sustainable, transport, logistics and the meetings themselves. They are aiming for net zero by 2040, not zero emissions. Which means they would have to contribute on some way to offset their carbon levels. They also said that methanol is one of the least polluting fossil fuels, but they can improve things further. To me, having seen the statement from source in English, it’s more to do with carbon levels associated with meetings. Flying, trucking gear around from one end of Europe to another. And can they make it work so they’re doing less miles by say making rounds happen in a logical order geographically. Sounds like the best thing to do is hold all of the GP's in Poland then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, JCookie said: That's your opinion, just like I have mine, not sure why you feel the need to call it narrow minded. I'm not old enough to have followed speedway back in the 70/80s, so I don't know what it was like back then to compare, but it's still broadly the same sport as now. Electric speedway would be completely different. I do enjoy the noise I have to say. The smell has pretty much gone in recent years. I just enjoy that speedway is pretty much a raw motorsport and I'd rather it stayed that way. Maybe I'd change my opinion if/when it happens but I'm not sure. Because it is narrow minded. You’re willing to write off a sport you like just because of potential powertrain switch. Other than the noise and smell, how would it be completely different exactly? It wouldn’t be any less ‘raw’ as you put it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanBrannan Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 I’ve just read the Polish article and it is total BS.. Here is the actual statement from Discovery, make your own minds up.. https://fimspeedway.com/news/fim-speedway-dse-join-race-for-sustainable-future 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 I think it's called Greenwashing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, iris123 said: It could well in the Uk, also open up new urban stadia t the sport. Whatever we might think, noisy motorsports are under threat. Stock cars included. And Greyhounds are also looking more and more like they are on the way out Electric greyhounds anyone?………..lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 For a lot of speedway fans though this all sounds like it is from the WEF woke handbook. They can only be more horrified if Chris Harris turns up for pre season press meeting in a frock and wanting to be called Christine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, ragdoll64 said: Electric greyhounds anyone?………..lol Just like the hare..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 Let’s step back a moment and look at the carbon footprint of a speedway meeting. Track prep using very old diesel tractors for hours on end during the day of the meeting 14 riders all turning up in very large diesel 2vans, having travelled hundreds of miles. Some riders flown in from Europe. 14 methanol burning bikes each running for say 10 minutes per meeting. Seems to me the bikes are the last things to worry about if you want to achieve net zero carbon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, iris123 said: For a lot of speedway fans though this all sounds like it is from the WEF woke handbook. They can only be more horrified if Chris Harris turns up for pre season press meeting in a frock and wanting to be called Christine Let's get to the important point here, what kind of frock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 hours ago, iris123 said: Think it is better to have electric speedway, than no speedway at all Quite honestly, as long as the racing is close i couldn't care less what is powering the bikes You only have to watch Formula E, eTouring & Extreme E to realise none is better than some. It's all a really tough watch. Might as well set up a league for biddy buggy racing around a coffee table. Electric Speedway will be an absolutely horrendous spectator sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: Let’s step back a moment and look at the carbon footprint of a speedway meeting. Track prep using very old diesel tractors for hours on end during the day of the meeting 14 riders all turning up in very large diesel 2vans, having travelled hundreds of miles. Some riders flown in from Europe. 14 methanol burning bikes each running for say 10 minutes per meeting. Seems to me the bikes are the last things to worry about if you want to achieve net zero carbon. With pretty much any spectator sport fans travelling to attend must be the largest contribution to the carbon footprint. So good to see the environmentally conscious BSPL doing all they can to reduce attendances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, arnieg said: With pretty much any spectator sport fans travelling to attend must be the largest contribution to the carbon footprint. So good to see the environmentally conscious BSPL doing all they can to reduce attendances. They've been ahead of the curve for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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