IainB Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 8:41 PM, Fromafar said: You only get the points you are awarded in the Final.The others get the points they score in the meeting Expand That's not quite right, R&R will be along in a minute to give you all a lesson Edited June 24, 2023 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:41 PM, bruno said: I don't know about Madsen laughing on the podium I reckon after the final he should have nutted Zmarzlik. Well maybe not nutted but certainly had a go at him. By laughing with him Zmarzlik will just think il do that again next time Expand He'd do it again next time whether he nutted him or not. That clown Boyce punching Gollob didn't stop Tomasz dive bombing people in epic style for nearly two decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:41 PM, Fromafar said: You only get the points you are awarded in the Final.The others get the points they score in the meeting Expand Ah, right. Thanks. I'm sure I can recall the winner (first in the final) getting fewer points than the runner-up at least once some years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:43 PM, bruno said: The points are decided on finishing position. Points scored in meeting have nothing to do with points awarded Expand Thanks.I was just trying to explain the final points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:34 PM, CB252 said: They show the passion in the ekstraliga, where they earn far more money than the pittance on offer for winning a GP. Expand The GP is about personal pride. All riders should want to be WC. Scoring I the EL is great for the coffers but becoming WC is the aim for any rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:44 PM, iainb said: That's not quite right, R&R will be along in a minute to give you all a lesson Expand I’m sure he will,but he’s a good guy and I don’t take offence as easy as some on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:45 PM, Steve Shovlar said: The GP is about personal pride. All riders should want to be WC. Scoring I the EL is great for the coffers but becoming WC is the aim for any rider. Expand Yes the WC should be more important. It does infuriate me that they don't earn the money in the WC though when we see blokes knocking coloured balls around a green table earning millions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:47 PM, Fromafar said: I’m sure he will,but he’s a good guy and I don’t take offence as easy as some on here. Expand He is... his occasional grumpiness is quite endearing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 8:41 PM, bruno said: I don't know about Madsen laughing on the podium I reckon after the final he should have nutted Zmarzlik. Well maybe not nutted but certainly had a go at him. By laughing with him Zmarzlik will just think il do that again next time Expand The rest would like to be able to do what Zmarzlik does but they don’t have the skill and when they try they usually bring to opposing rider off.These guys know what they are doing. eg Janowski in his last heat was still on his back wheel entering the 3rd /4 th bend in his last heat on the inside of the other riders. Edited June 24, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:05 PM, frigbo said: Really struck me tonight how the intensity of the GP days of Gollob, Crump, Pedersen etc has completely disappeared with this lot. Expand All seem happy to be on the gravy train.. Winning is a "nice to do, optional extra". Bartek is a generational talent but having it made so easy with riders quite content to play second fiddle... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:44 PM, iainb said: That's not quite right, R&R will be along in a minute to give you all a lesson Expand I can’t believe i have wasted my time these last few years !! Unbelievable Jeff !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:54 PM, mikebv said: All seem happy to be on the gravy train.. Winning is a "nice to do, optional extra". Bartek is a generational talent but having it made so easy with riders quite content to play second fiddle... Expand Woffy tell us before the meeting his bikes are 10-15% fastest than any off the others,why can’t he beat them then.Just hanging around on the gravy train. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:54 PM, mikebv said: All seem happy to be on the gravy train.. Winning is a "nice to do, optional extra". Bartek is a generational talent but having it made so easy with riders quite content to play second fiddle... Expand I don't think it helps that we've only really seen him ride here as a Birmingham reserve for a couple of meetings, so there's still a big question mark around how he'd get on around our "special" tracks... he'd be awesome of course but we've never really seen a World Champion give Britain a complete swerve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 8:41 PM, Fromafar said: You only get the points you are awarded in the Final.The others get the points they score in the meeting Expand Are you on a wind up ? Edited June 24, 2023 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 8:58 PM, Fromafar said: Woffy tell us before the meeting his bikes are 10-15% fastest than any off the others,why can’t he beat them then.Just hanging around on the gravy train. Expand Fair play to Doyle and Freddie.. Old heads... But they ride each race like "winning is everything".. And take risks that others simply wont take... Bartek is undoubtedly the most talented rider, but he is also one of the most brave and committed too.. Several of the other "talents" should reflect on how they do the "hard part of the job" if they ever want to compete with him... Edited June 24, 2023 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 9:04 PM, mikebv said: Fair play to Doyle and Freddie.. Old heads... But they ride each race like "winning is everything".. And take risks that others simply wont take... Bartek is undoubtedly the most talented rider, but he is also one of the most brave and committed too.. Several of the other "talents" should reflect on how they do the "hard part of the job" if they ever want to compete with him... Expand Agree Doyle and Freddie still get stuck in,as for Woffy.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Zmarslik is a class above and all credit to him, but we need the other riders to get the elbows out and start to make things difficult for him. I`m wondering if Rob Grant could get a wild card for next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 9:07 PM, Fromafar said: Agree Doyle and Freddie still get stuck in,as for Woffy.!!! Expand I think that the several hundred thousand of pounds they earn in Poland means it is far better to be available each weekend for their Polish team, than take a "high risk" move on the Saturday at the GP.. Winning the World Championship doesnt bring huge reward, but it might enhance your sponsorship opportunities, but let's be honest, for most of the lads who ride at HL in Polands top league, their sponsorship is pretty damn good already... Why risk the "real big pay days"?.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/24/2023 at 9:12 PM, screm said: Zmarslik is a class above and all credit to him, but we need the other riders to get the elbows out and start to make things difficult for him. I`m wondering if Rob Grant could get a wild card for next year. Expand He could do a”Tom Owen job”on Zmarzlik that would give him something to think about.!! Edited June 24, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 8:04 PM, CB252 said: What's that, something like 44 straight GPs where Zmarzlik has made at least the Semi?And that's with or without the Russians in it. Until someone else finds that formula they aren't going to challenge him. The argument about tracks is a nonsense. Ask any of these riders where they would want GPs staged and they would pick these Polish tracks. Where would you stage them where he wouldn't compete? Hold it at Monmore and he'd still win. He can stop the bike on a dime better than all of them. We had one on a German track as rough as a badgers arse and he beat them. We hold a round on a dodgy little track at Cardiff and he's made the final five times out of five visits. He's consistently achieved on every track and type of track that this series is staged on. Expand Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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