Fromafar Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, chunky said: What gets me is that people hate him for being good, and say he makes speedway boring by winning all the time. So, today's fans are only interested in the results, and the actual racing and on-track action aren't important? Have to agree,they were complaining all about slick track and lack of overtaking then Bartosz shows them how to do it.He’s just too good for them.Brilliant to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Have to agree,they were complaining all about slick track and lack of overtaking then Bartosz shows them how to do it.He’s just too good for them.Brilliant to watch. Yeah. I was a die-hard Dons fan, but I would drive all over the country to watch speedway at different tracks. Results didn't matter to me; I just went to watch the racing... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 Zmarzlik is in a class of his own, but who wants to watch him let the other riders go and then pick them off one by one like sitting ducks. It is unfortunate that no one around can touch him, so it becomes boring and tedious to watch a GP. As I stated earlier the crowd was well below previous GPs, WHY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, secsy1 said: Zmarzlik is in a class of his own, but who wants to watch him let the other riders go and then pick them off one by one like sitting ducks. Nobody. I'd much rather see a procession with no passing... That's why everybody hated riders like Collins and Morton. Edited June 25, 2023 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I'm not going to sit here and say that it was much better 15-20 years ago because it probably wasn't but the series is definitely lacking something at the moment. Knowing who the winner is going to be before the series starts is the main issue, not Zmarzlik's fault that he is miles ahead of anyone else but it removes all the jeopardy. Too many poor racetracks which to be fair has long been an issue but its frustrating that there are much better tracks not being used even if we all appreciate why. And probably a lack of characters and racers as mentioned. I don't think the series is boring just because Zmarzlik is winning. There are 17 heats he's not in but yet it's him that provides the real entertainment when he misses a gate. In terms of pure speed, only Bewley comes close, but he's struggling with consistency & lacks that fearless ability that Zmarzlik has when behind. We're desperate for all the other rider's to show more character, be harder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I don't think the series is boring just because Zmarzlik is winning. There are 17 heats he's not in but yet it's him that provides the real entertainment when he misses a gate. In terms of pure speed, only Bewley comes close, but he's struggling with consistency & lacks that fearless ability that Zmarzlik has when behind. We're desperate for all the other rider's to show more character, be harder For me it is, the whole point of the GP's is to crown a world champion and at the moment unless Zmarzlik sustains an injury its a foregone conclusion, for me that takes an awful lot of the shine off it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 Just watched the meeting . Not the best in my eyes . When are the riders going to realise you need to be tight on the bend 3/with SMARLIK behind you . Listening to mr pedersen talking about mickelsen needing to be more aggressive the rest off the riders need to listen to him because zmarzlik is his in all there heads and has got them beaten before they go to the tapes. .going into bend 3 Nikki would not be giving any room . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 The thing that’s keeping me interested is beat the bookie I am still in it lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: For me it is, the whole point of the GP's is to crown a world champion and at the moment unless Zmarzlik sustains an injury its a foregone conclusion, for me that takes an awful lot of the shine off it. The Bloke will have it rapped up well before the final round .will be able to not ride in the last round and turn up in his suit to pick up the title lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: Obviously is beatable more this season than others,but due to the points system used in Gp’s he has learned to settled for dropping the odd point.He has matured and settled down a lot and a lot more controlled these days.Great skill and speed easily the most consistent rider in the GP’s and will take some beating in the Championship in the next few years.Great rider IMO. Spot on could not agree more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Just watched the meeting . Not the best in my eyes . When are the riders going to realise you need to be tight on the bend 3/with SMARLIK behind you . Listening to mr pedersen talking about mickelsen needing to be more aggressive the rest off the riders need to listen to him because zmarzlik is his in all there heads and has got them beaten before they go to the tapes. .going into bend 3 Nikki would not be giving any room . Let’s be honest he’s better than the rest,if they hold it tight he just goes round them when it matters. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Let’s be honest he’s better than the rest,if they hold it tight he just goes round them when it matters. Just the way I see it as well ! Edited June 25, 2023 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Let’s be honest he’s better than the rest,if they hold it tight he just goes round them when it matters. I get that he s better than the rest but in an earlier go holder slammed to the door shut on the back straight others have got to show grit and has pedersen says aggression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, r8gdp said: I get that he s better than the rest but in an earlier go holder slammed to the door shut on the back straight others have got to show grit and has pedersen says aggression He’s is what Gollob was like in his prime he arrives that late ,that it’s very difficult to do.That’s what happened last night with Madsen ,it didn’t give Madsen time to perform a cut back.Brave and fearless move but thats Bartosz IMO. Edited June 25, 2023 by Fromafar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Zmarzlik would win titles in any era. Special talent. Laguta(and Emil) must be reinstated next year to offer him some competition. The problem is the tracks they choose and the lack of characters and personalities. How the f does Teterow get anywhere near a GP? Embarrassing for the sport. Gorzow, Malilla, Vojens, Prague and Teterow aren't even the best racetracks in those countries. The riders are way too pally with each other. The sport is crying out for another Nicki P who was box office in the GP's and was happy to put anybody in the fence. Gollob as well was happy to dive bomb regularly and move riders out of the way. Crump was a grumpy sod who wouldn't be pals in the pits and have a laugh and a joke with his rivals It's all way too respectful Edited June 26, 2023 by Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Chris said: happy to put anybody in the fence. I can't believe anyone would want a rider pushed into the fence on purpose with the result being a possible career ending injury or even worse ,this sport is dangereous enough without that kind of deliberate behaviour .I for one was glad to see the back of Nikki P( not withstanding his 3 World Titles ) from the series ,the last couple of years he was not an asset IMO, Doyle is a paler version who now falls off if you knock the TV. There are robust characters in the series lambert and Fast Freddie won't be pushed about but IMO but are still within the bounds of what's acceptable . Bart is head and shoulders above the rest at the moment we should make the most of it ,all the greats have purple patch this is his bring the Russians back I think he would relish their inclusion . As to improving the series there are things that could be done but if you look at the standings the other riders are pretty close together they just have to contend with an exceptional rider ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) As far as I can see, the problem with the series is two-fold: 1) The current crop of riders are clearly not the top 16 in the world. If we accept, as few would surely argue against, that the Polish Ekstraliga is the strongest league worldwide, then I'd say a far stronger GP series would be possible if we took the top 12 from the end of season averages for the following year. Then, use the remaining 4 places to add any super new talents who emerge during the course of the following year, and also nominate locally great assets/wildcards on an ongoing basis to the series. With absolutely no disrespect to the current riders there, I can name at least half a dozen, as I'm sure we all could, who are clearly simply not good enough to be there currently. 2) Tracks and venues. Too many of the current tracks have no place in the GP series. If you accept that the whole point of speedway is to produce entertainment, then using venues that are built specifically for one-off meetings is clearly working against this principal, as on the whole, even after 20 odd years, they cannot be made good enough to guarantee consistently good surfaces and racing. Tied into that is the use of the current GP prep team, who appear to instruct local tracks how to prepare their tracks when they come visiting once a year. How can these guys possibly know as much about any given track as the ones who toil week in and week out to prepare their surfaces? That's nonsense and has to be changed. I'd scrap one off tracks all round. I'd also get shot of the ideas that we are somehow going to expand the series worldwide. Let's be realistic here. Speedway is a declining sport in every nation it's raced in worldwide. Hoping to attract massive crowds into new, untried markets is not just totally unrealistic, it is in fact crazy business sense. It simply will not work. Far better to have a grown up conversation about which tracks produce the best racing and use them. For example, if you're insisting on using a Swedish track, it simply has to be Vastervik, in my opinion the only one that consistently can produce exciting racing. In the UK, it has to be the National Stadium. To increase the attendance, it would make far better economic business sense to spend a few hundred thousands on temporary stands, than the outrageous costs of laying a temporary track for a week, and all the associated costs with that. Yes, the attendance will still be lower, but how much better would it be to have a packed stadium at Manchester, with fans salivating for more and going away happy, rather than the farcical situations we had last year at Cardiff? After spending some money improving the track in Prague, I'd give it a stay of execution as it was much better this year than previously. Otherwise, get Pardubice to host a Czech GP, as it's a great racing track and already has a proven track record of successful Golden Helmet weekends for donkeys years. In Poland, you'd have to be looking at Wroclaw, Bydgoszcz, Leszno, Czestochowa and Torun. Perhaps even some other 1 Liga tracks too, such as Ostrow and Rybnik, which, if prepared well, can produce fantastic racing. Lodz has a brilliant stadium and a super wee track that could produce an outstanding atmosphere and GP. If you are insisting on using Germany, I'd nominate Wittstock as the only possible candidate for a GP. The track is fantastic, with multiple lines and it's incredibly wide. A GP there could be fabulous. Yes, the stadium is basic, but again, the massive sums saved from creating temporary tracks could be put to good use to utilise this place properly and put in some temporary stands. If Poland ended up with half a dozen GPs, or more, well, why not? It already has the best tracks, the cities are beautifully clean, cheap to visit and attractive. We have to play to the strengths of the sport, instead of pretending we can achieve worldwide coverage and spend tens of millions trying to expand it which if we are able to think with our heads rather than our hearts, we all know will simply never be achieved. Edited June 26, 2023 by stewmac 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) These ideas always look good, but lack standing in reality If Pardu don't want a GP, then they don't want it Not too sure about the current situation at Wittstock, but don't think it is that good. As i said many years back there is a problem with the Promoter. Unstability i think it is safe to say. Reports of him physically attacking riders. And of course he seemed to have a bust up not only with the German authorities, but the polish also. I doubt he is someone who could work peacefully with the FIM for long The main problem is it isn't down to us fans to accept any of that. It is down to those who run the show to accept those proposals..........not as easy as it was to write all that out, i think Edited June 26, 2023 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 Look at Lindgrens line after Doyle went down. 100% would have wiped Doyle out. Bad call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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