IainB Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 38 minutes ago, Gavan said: What a load of crap people write on here Zmarzlik is the best around and maybe the competition isn’t the best but he is still a class act and would have won titles in any era Got to laugh at people saying Doyle and Lindgren are past it lol … 2nd and 3rd in the world but last it lol… And those saying Tai shouldn’t get a wildcard lol…. The guy is 9th in the world so please go ahead and find 7 riders who should be in above him …. Only Emil and Laguta but nobody else….do people expect all 15 riders to be capable of winning a world title lol…… back in the days of the one off there was always only ever 6 or 7 riders you thought could win it … the night of a GP is no different…… I wouldn’t expect the likes of Michelsen Thomson and Nilsson to win a GP but they could and in Thomsens case already have ….. in the one off none of the eastern block could win it and in my first one in 1990 you also had riders like Miller Dugard Correy who you wouldn’t have given a chance to. So yes Tai isn’t a rostrum challenger but find 15 riders better than him you won’t ….. Can't argue with a lot of what you say... in a one off world final you had jeopardy, something which seems to be sadly missing now. Trick won a lot of his world titles off of gate 1 as another poster had said but in his first he had to go through the quali route and win the last ever 1 off final and in many of his others was under the two duff rides and you're on your way home knock out system. Where's the jeopardy these days? Be mediocre throughout the night, squeeze into a semi on 7 points, qualify for a final with a 2nd walk home with 20 points in the bag! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Tinker said: Over the last few years the GP Series has got more and more boring. You watch a pretty boring meeting but then have the mindset that the next one will be better so you tune in again and hey presto, it's another boring one. Overall, not much excitement and very little real controversy. Riders too pally with each other, no real characters and the whole thing has become rather stale. No one to challenge the current champ (not his fault) and the emphasis quickly shifts to who is going to qualify for next year as opposed to who is going to be world champion. To liven things up why don't they have a wild card track every year, each participating country could nominate two tracks so the UK for instance could name Wolverhampton and Redcar. A draw is then made live on TV and a meeting is held at that particular venue. Just an idea of course but the series needs major surgery. not so sure about the Wolves/Redcar wildcard idea... but I definitely think the series is in need of a shake up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 4 hours ago, DazS said: you need to watch some of his polish meetings! He always saves his best for the gps has done for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 10 hours ago, eric i said: Lindgren is not young rider but I can't say I have seen any drop off in his form. Totally agree. I would say that with Zmarzlik and even with illness Lindgren has been the most consistent of riders at SGP level. In terms of the SGP it is becoming more and more repetitive but that is mainly down to track prep. All the tracks have been so slick. Prague, Teterow and Gorican tend to be pretty mundane meetings at the best of times. As for Gorzow it was unlikely to be any other result with the form of the riders and Zmarzlik riding the track since a kid. Apart from Artem and Emil this is pretty much the best of the riders in the world. Unfortunately Zmarzlik is not only only quick he is just so consistent - Like watching Rickardson again Final - Final - Final . Let's see what Mallila brings it is Bewley's home track so perhaps that will work in his favour. Although I imagine SGP will strip it down to like riding on the M25 again ............... oh and checking last year Zmarzlik won the Swedish SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, iainb said: not so sure about the Wolves/Redcar wildcard idea... but I definitely think the series is in need of a shake up Or look at new venues in major cities. Probably been discussed previously and would be expensive but would create alot of interest and publicity. Berlin, Munich, Budapest, London, Amsterdam etc. How many more people would travel to see a GP in Berlin compared to Teterow?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tinker said: Or look at new venues in major cities. Probably been discussed previously and would be expensive but would create alot of interest and publicity. Berlin, Munich, Budapest, London, Amsterdam etc. How many more people would travel to see a GP in Berlin compared to Teterow?? That's something that has been lost since the final years of BSI/IMG and despite DSE's "new era" doesn't appear to be on the agenda anytime soon, just rinse and repeat every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, iainb said: That's something that has been lost since the final years of BSI/IMG and despite DSE's "new era" doesn't appear to be on the agenda anytime soon, just rinse and repeat every year Yes, seems the case unfortunately. So if they can't come up with new major venues go the opposite way and like I said, introduce a wildcard track every year. If nothing else it would create interest and would potentially throw a spanner in the works for some of the riders. Imagine a GP at Scunthorpe, Poole, Ipswich, Leicester etc. Just an idea of course but something radical needs to be done and new ideas need to be discussed. Probably back to the same old same old again next year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) I'm not going to sit here and say that it was much better 15-20 years ago because it probably wasn't but the series is definitely lacking something at the moment. Knowing who the winner is going to be before the series starts is the main issue, not Zmarzlik's fault that he is miles ahead of anyone else but it removes all the jeopardy. Too many poor racetracks which to be fair has long been an issue but its frustrating that there are much better tracks not being used even if we all appreciate why. And probably a lack of characters and racers as mentioned. Edited June 25, 2023 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Tinker said: Or look at new venues in major cities. Probably been discussed previously and would be expensive but would create alot of interest and publicity. Berlin, Munich, Budapest, London, Amsterdam etc. How many more people would travel to see a GP in Berlin compared to Teterow?? Speedway needs to stay in countries that have an interest in the sport like Poland, Sweden, GB etc. Why would you go to Amsterdam or Budapest if they have very little interest? Be like taking beach volleyball to the North Pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Gavan said: What a load of crap people write on here Zmarzlik is the best around and maybe the competition isn’t the best but he is still a class act and would have won titles in any era Got to laugh at people saying Doyle and Lindgren are past it lol … 2nd and 3rd in the world but last it lol… And those saying Tai shouldn’t get a wildcard lol…. The guy is 9th in the world so please go ahead and find 7 riders who should be in above him …. Only Emil and Laguta but nobody else….do people expect all 15 riders to be capable of winning a world title lol…… back in the days of the one off there was always only ever 6 or 7 riders you thought could win it … the night of a GP is no different…… I wouldn’t expect the likes of Michelsen Thomson and Nilsson to win a GP but they could and in Thomsens case already have ….. in the one off none of the eastern block could win it and in my first one in 1990 you also had riders like Miller Dugard Correy who you wouldn’t have given a chance to. So yes Tai isn’t a rostrum challenger but find 15 riders better than him you won’t ….. Doyle 2nd and Lindgren 3rd in the standings so far, is incorrect. At present 1st Zmarzlik on 90 points 2nd Holder on 69 points 3rd Lindgren on 68 points 4th Doyle on 68 points 5th Madsen on 60 points 6th Lambert on 54 points 7th Vaculik on 51 points 8th Bewley on 49 points 9th Woffinden on 41 points 10th Fricke on 34 points 11th Janowski on 31 points 12th Thomsen ON 29 points 13th Michelsen on 28 points 14th Dudek on 28 points 15th Nilsson on 22 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, The Dog said: Speedway needs to stay in countries that have an interest in the sport like Poland, Sweden, GB etc. Why would you go to Amsterdam or Budapest if they have very little interest? Be like taking beach volleyball to the North Pole. I only mentioned Budapest because I fancy going there for a weekend break and having a GP there would double the excitement! Seriously though, I am just toying with new ideas because something needs to be done. Volleyball at the North Pole could be fun?? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 This year's SGP series is arguably missing two of the best three riders in the world, so it was always going to have a detrimental effect. Barring injury, it's already over imo... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 13 hours ago, eric i said: Lindgren is not young rider but I can't say I have seen any drop off in his form. Lindgren had some health issues related to post covid last year and a dip in his perfomance. However he has recovered. He is only 38 (in september) and nowadays riders continue to be in their prime well into their 40:s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, iainb said: That's something that has been lost since the final years of BSI/IMG and despite DSE's "new era" doesn't appear to be on the agenda anytime soon, just rinse and repeat every year From what I'e heard or read speculations/rumours that might be some changes for next year, like only 2 gp in Poland, one at BV, none at Cardiff...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, spin king said: Doyle 2nd and Lindgren 3rd in the standings so far, is incorrect. At present 1st Zmarzlik on 90 points 2nd Holder on 69 points 3rd Lindgren on 68 points 4th Doyle on 68 points 5th Madsen on 60 points 6th Lambert on 54 points 7th Vaculik on 51 points 8th Bewley on 49 points 9th Woffinden on 41 points 10th Fricke on 34 points 11th Janowski on 31 points 12th Thomsen ON 29 points 13th Michelsen on 28 points 14th Dudek on 28 points 15th Nilsson on 22 points I stand corrected.. and whilst looking at the standings now I’m earth do people think Tai isnt deserving of a place in the GP I think peoples opinions are clouded by the fact that he isn’t as good as he was….but he is more deserving of a place then any of the riders below him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Gavan said: I stand corrected.. and whilst looking at the standings now I’m earth do people think Tai isnt deserving of a place in the GP I think peoples opinions are clouded by the fact that he isn’t as good as he was….but he is more deserving of a place then any of the riders below him I don't think "clouded" is the correct term; they are "deluded"... People say they want the "best riders in the world" in the GP's. Even allowing for Sayfutdinov and Laguta, Tai is STILL one of the top 11 riders in the world, not just the top 15... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Ghostwalker said: From what I'e heard or read speculations/rumours that might be some changes for next year, like only 2 gp in Poland, one at BV, none at Cardiff...... Zmarzlik will be petrified about a GP in Belle Vue. What did he drop, something like 1 point in 14 rides in SON 2021? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Fromafar said: Some riders might be able to nail Bartosz if they could get near enough.!! If you watch Lambert ,a number off times he has more speed the the others down the straight but backs off.That’s the difference. Zmarzlik has been beaten on a regular basis, this season, but due to a combination of skill, determination, and luck (often thanks to Doyle), has ended up increasing his lead. He IS beatable, but the same as riders like Funding, Mauger, and Rickardsson, he ends up winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, chunky said: Zmarzlik has been beaten on a regular basis, this season, but due to a combination of skill, determination, and luck (often thanks to Doyle), has ended up increasing his lead. He IS beatable, but the same as riders like Funding, Mauger, and Rickardsson, he ends up winning. Obviously is beatable more this season than others,but due to the points system used in Gp’s he has learned to settled for dropping the odd point.He has matured and settled down a lot and a lot more controlled these days.Great skill and speed easily the most consistent rider in the GP’s and will take some beating in the Championship in the next few years.Great rider IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 25, 2023 Report Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Obviously is beatable more this season than others,but due to the points system used in Gp’s he has learned to settled for dropping the odd point.He has matured and settled down a lot and a lot more controlled these days.Great skill and speed easily the most consistent rider in the GP’s and will take some beating in the Championship in the next few years.Great rider IMO. What gets me is that people hate him for being good, and say he makes speedway boring by winning all the time. So, today's fans are only interested in the results, and the actual racing and on-track action aren't important? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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