Daniel Smith Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, TTT said: Laguta and Emil are the only ones who can challenge Zmarzlik. Whole GP series is pointless until they're allowed back in it. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, CB252 said: Lol he didn't stand up to him at all. They both won 5 GPs and each gave as good as they got passing each other multiple times in the process. The difference at the end was 5th place and a win and 4th place and a win in the last two GPs. Laguta's credentials are one unlikely title win and not even qualifying for the series on merit in any other year, while Zmarzlik's are a GP medal in 6 out of 7 seasons and comfortable qualification the other season. Top of the ekstraliga aves 7 out of the last 8 years? You’ve just contradicted yourself, how is it an unlikely title win when you win 5 GP’s in a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Utterly, utterly boring to be honest and a real shame. I have always looked forwards to the GP series but frankly it’s hardly worth the time. Steve...admit it .. just a sour grapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 So did Lambert just said to Nicholls he thought Doyle was wrongly excluded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Get the rose tinted specs on and remember the good old days. Of boring Rickardsson wins where he creamed off titles in that bizarre format where he got to come off gate 1 all night and had it won half way through the year. Of Pedersen winning it by a mile in 2007 and 2008. Hancock leading from start to finish in 1997, 2011, I'm sure Crump did the same at least one year but we'll all have blocked it out of our minds because it was so boring I mean the only rider that can lay legitimate claim to being involved in as many classic finals as Zmarzlik is Gollob, and the clowns on here hated him as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 46 minutes ago, racers and royals said: GP points 1st 20 points Zmarzlik 2nd 18 points Madsen 3rd 16 points Lindgren 4th 14 points Doyle 5th 12 points Lambert 6th 11 points J Holder 7th 10 points Janowski 8th 9 points. Woffinden 19. Came third in his first ride, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: You’ve just contradicted yourself, how is it an unlikely title win when you win 5 GP’s in a season? It was unlikely, fishy almost, that he went from a solid middle order rider that always needed a wild card to that sort of form. And he is Russian and the brother of a convicted cheat so, ya know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PolskiZuzel said: Steve...admit it .. just a sour grapes No. It’s totally boring. I don’t care who wins it. There’s just no characters unless you think helium has a personality. How I wish for the days of Crump, Pedersen, Hancock, Gollob, Trick (who would more than likely eat Zmarzlik for breakfast) Edited June 24, 2023 by Steve Shovlar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just eead some of the comments & I agree. The SGP's have become a sport of wet lettuce's with one man allowed to do as he pleases. There's no passion from the others to stop him. In years gone by Zmarzlik wouldn't have survived as he'd have had regular trips to the fence. He is rightly & no questions the best there is around, at the same time, everyone makes it easy for him. The SGP series has become Formula 1, it's no longer about hard aggressive racing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Vincent Blachshadow said: 19. Came third in his first ride, no, points are awarded based on finishing position. Bartosz won and was awarded 20 points. Points scored in the actual race doesn't carrry over to the total gp standings. Edited June 24, 2023 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Trick (who would more than likely eat Zmarzlik for breakfast) Only if he got to use that format where he came off gate 1 all night. Some riders won less world titles than they should have done (Nielsen), some won way more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said: no, points are awarded based on finishing position. So how does that work then? (first GP I've watched for a few years - since I stopped going to them, in fact). Four wins and a third place = 13 in the heats, a win in the semi and final = 6. Where does the extra point come from? Edited June 24, 2023 by Vincent Blachshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, JoeW436 said: Not getting into politics cos I find it seriously boring but from a speedway point of view this series seriously misses Artem and Emil 100% correct, it's all very flat without them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CB252 said: Only if he got to use that format where he came off gate 1 all night. Some riders won less world titles than they should have done (Nielsen), some won way more... Trick didn’t make up the rules. But he was a more complete speedway rider than Zmarzlik has currently shown. And he won all those titles when the opposition was far, far tougher. As others have said, Zmarzlik gets an easy ride with others happy with second. Madsen laughing and joking on the podium when he should be gutted and very upset. Where’s the passion? Edited June 24, 2023 by Steve Shovlar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Trick didn’t make up the rules. But he was a more complete speedway rider than Zmarzlik has currently shown. And he won all those titles when the opposition was far, far tougher. As others have said, Zmarzlik gets an easy ride with others happy with second. Madsen laughing and joking on the podium when he should be gutted and very upset. Where’s the passion? They show the passion in the ekstraliga, where they earn far more money than the pittance on offer for winning a GP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: So did Lambert just said to Nicholls he thought Doyle was wrongly excluded? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Yes. Never get into refereeing Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 I don't know about Madsen laughing on the podium I reckon after the final he should have nutted Zmarzlik. Well maybe not nutted but certainly had a go at him. By laughing with him Zmarzlik will just think il do that again next time 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vincent Blachshadow said: So how does that work then? (first GP I've watched for a few years - since I stopped going to them, in fact). Four wins and a third place = 13 in the heats, a win in the semi and final = 6. Where does the extra point come from? You only get the points you are awarded in the Final.The others get the points they score in the meeting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Fromafar said: You only get the points you are awarded in the Final.The others get the points they score in the meeting The points are decided on finishing position. Points scored in meeting have nothing to do with points awarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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