IainB Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HGould said: CL not 2 home and 2 away but 1 home and 1 away is a massive U-TURN! Just 11 guaranteed Fixtures if you don't make PLay Offs and progress in KOC or Micky Mouse Shield. It was obvious to anybody with a hole in their derriere that 2 home and away was never going to work when they can't complete 1 home and away and whoever suggested this and then went on to make it public really has no place to be in any position of running Speedway in Britain! And the 2 mini league play offs further devalue a league championship that already isn't really worth winning! As for the rest... business as usual Edited November 17, 2022 by iainb 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 The usual mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. Super Heats will divide opinion and while the bonus point system worked ok for years I personally preferred the 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 in its original form. Glad Rising Stars have been maintained, seemed little point in ditching it after a year. They seemed to have addressed the subject of August inactivity which for me was the biggest issue last season. A pity Glasgow didn't move up to make it 8/8 but there we are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, HGould said: CL not 2 home and 2 away but 1 home and 1 away is a massive U-TURN! Just 11 guaranteed Fixtures if you don't make PLay Offs and progress in KOC or Micky Mouse Shield. 11 home fixtures is roughly 25 weeks in current speedway terms so it's a plenty long enough season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) Three pairs rounds out of seven is it really worth bothering Hurrah Peterborough in the semi finals of the KOC , progress from this season already made !! Edited November 17, 2022 by scoobydoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Three pairs rounds out of seven is it really worth bothering If they were feeling bold they could have added the points scored from this into the league... like F1 have with the sprints, to have actually given the competition some meaning Edited November 17, 2022 by iainb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, iainb said: It was obvious to anybody with a hole in their derriere that 2 home and away was never going to work when then can't complete 1 home and away and whoever suggested this and then went on to make it public really has no place to be in any position of running Speedway in Britain! And the 2 mini league play offs further devalue a league championship that already isn't really worth winning! As for the rest... business as usual Rumours are 3 Clubs objected as two are mega keen to run NDL and would not have had enough dates to do so profitably. The other Club I'm told was due despite a high rent were happier riding fewer matches paying more rent than too many matches and losing too much by riding too many matches. Whilst taking all info with a pinch of salt I can see the logic in both cases. I totally agree with you about the original plans being made public and MR D FORD should certainly be removed for his silly comments to his local media about a "rubber stamping exercise and all agreed" - which clearly it wasn't It does mean if a CL Club fails to make play offs and progress in cup and shield its just 11 fixtures , if you have NDL as well though you still have a nice season of fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, HGould said: Rumours are 3 Clubs objected as two are mega keen to run NDL and would not have had enough dates to do so profitably. The other Club I'm told was due despite a high rent were happier riding fewer matches paying more rent than too many matches and losing too much by riding too many matches. Whilst taking all info with a pinch of salt I can see the logic in both cases. I totally agree with you about the original plans being made public and MR D FORD should certainly be removed for his silly comments to his local media about a "rubber stamping exercise and all agreed" - which clearly it wasn't It does mean if a CL Club fails to make play offs and progress in cup and shield its just 11 fixtures , if you have NDL as well though you still have a nice season of fixtures. Sounds like the tail is wagging the dog... but that's a consequence of the league(s) being so weak. Maybe the pay offs should have been that the 3 clubs that were objecting to 2 home and away should have dropped out (doing a Glasgow ) after the first round of home and away matches... anything does seem to go these days after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: The usual mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. Super Heats will divide opinion and while the bonus point system worked ok for years I personally preferred the 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 in its original form. Glad Rising Stars have been maintained, seemed little point in ditching it after a year. They seemed to have addressed the subject of August inactivity which for me was the biggest issue last season. A pity Glasgow didn't move up to make it 8/8 but there we are. I like the idea of super heats for the aggregate bonus point or in ties in the cup for example but I do think a draw should just be a point each. I used to like the bonus point as I first came to speedway in 2006 so it was what I knew first! Top 4 playoffs out of 7 bit silly, should be leader through to final and 2 v 3 for last place. Same in both leagues, has to be a benefit to finishing top. The mini league in the championship for playoffs are ludicrous for that reason. Pairs over 3 rounds seems a bit low, could have made it 4 if 6 too long but I’m not overly exercised about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: The usual mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. Super Heats will divide opinion and while the bonus point system worked ok for years I personally preferred the 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 in its original form. Glad Rising Stars have been maintained, seemed little point in ditching it after a year. They seemed to have addressed the subject of August inactivity which for me was the biggest issue last season. A pity Glasgow didn't move up to make it 8/8 but there we are. Never going to happen with Edinburgh riding, plus also Berwick and Redcar too. It seems the Champ have the North and South of the UK, with Prem the middle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, JCookie said: 11 home fixtures is roughly 25 weeks in current speedway terms so it's a plenty long enough season. Not for those who like regular speedway it isn't. Might be a godsend though financially to have fortnightly meetings for many fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuvnor Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 All in all more positives than negatives I’d say. The return to the aggregate points system will divide opinion but it’s a lot less convoluted than the system we’ve been using until now. Simplicity is generally best, easier to explain to fans who are new to the sport also. Silence on any changes or limiting to doubling up is concerning though. That’s the real evil in British Speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, 40-38 said: I like the idea of super heats for the aggregate bonus point or in ties in the cup for example but I do think a draw should just be a point each. I used to like the bonus point as I first came to speedway in 2006 so it was what I knew first! Top 4 playoffs out of 7 bit silly, should be leader through to final and 2 v 3 for last place. Same in both leagues, has to be a benefit to finishing top. The mini league in the championship for playoffs are ludicrous for that reason. Pairs over 3 rounds seems a bit low, could have made it 4 if 6 too long but I’m not overly exercised about that. Super heat for draw Super heat for aggregate tie Here goes - both legs end 45-45 Super heat required - one team could then get 2 "match wins" and gain 4 points to opposition 0 Aggregate tie Super heat - the other side win it and get a point Si we have the situation where 1 side "wins" both legas but doesn't get the aggregate bonus point...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted November 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Surprised they’ve carried on with the superheat where it obviously favours the home side, despite the away sides efforts to get a draw. I appreciate it gives the supporters there an extra race, but if that’s such a bonus, just have a 16 heat format, with 2 nominated races at the end….. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 No mention of the Rev Limiters which were due to be trialed/brought in for the 2020 Covid season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gambo said: No mention of the Rev Limiters which were due to be trialed/brought in for the 2020 Covid season! Is that not down to the SCB who decide on the rules? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, SSL84 said: Is that not down to the SCB who decide on the rules? No 8 chapters of the rule book are down to the BSPL And it’s those 8 chapters which cause 99% of the problems. Edited November 17, 2022 by bigcatdiary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 So it's now 6 rider teams in the Premiership. Their announcement says it includes a Rising Star, not plus a rising star. So, will the heat format be changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) Or I've simply mis-read it but the RS list will make interesting reading again! Edited November 17, 2022 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Or I've simply mis-read it but the RS list will make interesting reading again! It's poorly worded... but IF they were to go to 6 man teams inc a RS (which I probably think they should) it would have been announced with great fanfare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: So it's now 6 rider teams in the Premiership. Their announcement says it includes a Rising Star, not plus a rising star. So, will the heat format be changing? It could have been worded better but this means seven man teams to me. POINTS LIMIT: 39.00 for six riders, teams to also include one Rising Star 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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