Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 12:16 PM, GiveusaB said: Apologies...I wasn't insinuating that you were being disrespectful...I actually thought that you might be being serious (after all, Tom made an appearance last season v Big Al's Memorial) I think you may be right with 'Gino'? I don't think there can be too much criticism whoever it is....(it's only a reserve...no expectations and all that) The damage is/was done signing Morris on a 10 plus average! IMO Yeah ...Doesn't leave much for the rest ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) On 1/26/2023 at 12:16 PM, GiveusaB said: Apologies...I wasn't insinuating that you were being disrespectful...I actually thought that you might be being serious (after all, Tom made an appearance last season v Big Al's Memorial) I think you may be right with 'Gino'? I don't think there can be too much criticism whoever it is....(it's only a reserve...no expectations and all that) The damage is/was done signing Morris on a 10 plus average! IMO While I agree Morris won't keep his average, after the problems they had with heat leaders last year, I can see why they've gone for one of the top 5 riders in the league to lead their team! Edited February 1, 2023 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 I think it's a short sighted move, especially with the team average being lowered! I think its a deal that suits the rider more than the club. It's done now and all club supporters can do is get on with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: I think it's a short sighted move, especially with the team average being lowered! I think its a deal that suits the rider more than the club. It's done now and all club supporters can do is get on with it. I fail to see signing one of the Top riders in the Championship’s is negative.Too obsessed with averages.IMO.If he wins 3-4 heats a meeting ( which he has every chance of doing)he will be keeping the Team in the match. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I fail to see signing one of the Top riders in the Championship’s is negative.Too obsessed with averages.IMO.If he wins 3-4 heats a meeting ( which he has every chance of doing)he will be keeping the Team in the match. Yeah ...but to top heavy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Yeah ...but to top heavy.... Not compared to Oxford!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I fail to see signing one of the Top riders in the Championship’s is negative.Too obsessed with averages.IMO.If he wins 3-4 heats a meeting ( which he has every chance of doing)he will be keeping the Team in the match. Not if all (or most) of the other heats are 2-4's or 1-5's to the opposition! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: Yeah ...but to top heavy.... You need riders that can win Heats to get heat advantages, that’s why top heavy Teams are generally there at the end of season.IMO.It’s an improving rider or good reserve that makes the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, StevePark said: Not if all (or most) of the other heats are 2-4's or 1-5's to the opposition! You can’t do nothing if the rest of the team are crap though.Every Team needs a good No1 to nullify Hts 13 & 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Not compared to Oxford!! Oxford have a very good top 3 (championship level), they will get murdered at reserve! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You can’t do nothing if the rest of the team are crap though.Every Team needs a good No1 to nullify Hts 13 & 15. It's all down to opinion, of course, but you are asking for trouble if you build a team around two heats (13 & 15 in this case). To me, you are better building "strength in depth" rather than too "top heavy". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, StevePark said: It's all down to opinion, of course, but you are asking for trouble if you build a team around two heats (13 & 15 in this case). To me, you are better building "strength in depth" rather than too "top heavy". Or...do what Poole do and have both ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 hours ago, StevePark said: It's all down to opinion, of course, but you are asking for trouble if you build a team around two heats (13 & 15 in this case). To me, you are better building "strength in depth" rather than too "top heavy". You don’t give any credit to the other 6 riders.What’s the ratio for league winners Top Heavy v Strength in depth.I can think of Workington as strength in Depth Winners but not many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Fromafar said: You can’t do nothing if the rest of the team are crap though.Every Team needs a good No1 to nullify Hts 13 & 15. 25 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You don’t give any credit to the other 6 riders.What’s the ratio for league winners Top Heavy v Strength in depth.I can think of Workington as strength in Depth Winners but not many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) Hull in 2004, had strength in depth. They won the trebble. And all bar Joel Parsons averaged over 7. Edited January 30, 2023 by mikebaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, mikebaker said: Hull in 2004, had strength in depth. They won the trebble. And all bar Joel Parsons averaged over 7. I’m sure 5 of the 7 Vikings riders spent time i the reserve berth thar pts season . Great memories from Craven park from an ex season pass holder at the Vikings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Glasgow 2011 I'd throw in as well. Sure had screeny as a no.1 but the real strength was at reserve and second string. Theo, the Raj, nick and Christian Henry (then bellego) interchanged all season and all scored heavily from all positions. Even losing josh mid season didn't derail us (although if play offs had been in place doubt we'd have beaten Newport) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Jaizer said: Glasgow 2011 I'd throw in as well. Sure had screeny as a no.1 but the real strength was at reserve and second string. Theo, the Raj, nick and Christian Henry (then bellego) interchanged all season and all scored heavily from all positions. Even losing josh mid season didn't derail us (although if play offs had been in place doubt we'd have beaten Newport) That’s the Birmingham scenario this season with Morris at No1 and the rest could be anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 10 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Not compared to Oxford!! They have got better in heats 13 and 15 ....match winner's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: They have got better in heats 13 and 15 ....match winner's... But heats 2 and 8 (poss 14) would cancel those out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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