Birmingham Brummies 2023

[OGT]

2 hours ago, mikebv said:

When I have been to Birmingham, it was noticeable how large a percentage of the crowd "wore the club shop"..

Not large crowds in total, granted..

But it does suggest that a losing team could impact attendances quite a bit % wise if those fans in particular became disillusioned....

Many tracks have a fair % of fans who can just go along to watch the racing which can help them during a poor run of performances, as they turn up anyway..

It was also noticeable the age demographic of those in attendance proudly wearing their yellow and red, and, sadly, there will be other reasons as to their less regular visits too I would think as the years have gone by and continue to do so..

Certainly the "oldest" crowd I have seen at Speedway...

Although a few will run them close....

It does certainly seem like it has been a "hard sell" for all Birmingham Promoters after the "honeymoon period" ended after a few years of their return..

You cannot knock those currently in charge for their efforts though can you?

21 years away took its toll on the supporter demographic. 

[Brummies_Ste]

From the official Twitter feed

" We can confirm that Dan Thompson’s 28-day period with the club has come to an end.

We would like to thank Dan for his efforts throughout his short spell at Perry Barr - and we hope to be in a position to issue supporters a team update in the next 48 hours."

[GiveusaB]

looks like 2 new signings on the way ?

Very refreshing to see what the new manager is doing to 'improve' the team!

[arnieg]

On 6/30/2023 at 5:23 PM, OGT said:

21 years away took its toll on the supporter demographic. 

And yet Oxford - 14 years away - have a youngish (by speedway's standards) age profile

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Brummies_Ste said:

From the official Twitter feed

" We can confirm that Dan Thompson’s 28-day period with the club has come to an end.

We would like to thank Dan for his efforts throughout his short spell at Perry Barr - and we hope to be in a position to issue supporters a team update in the next 48 hours."

Personally I think that's a massive shame, what did Dan get? Like 2 matches to prove himself?

[GiveusaB]

13 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

Personally I think that's a massive shame, what did Dan get? Like 2 matches to prove himself?

I don't think it would have anything to do with Dan's efforts....I would assume that it's all about juggling averages etc....

Besides, Dan was only signed on a 28 day term....

The manager has been signed to improve team performances, not to develop riders. It's about time we had someone that shows a passion for the cause.

That's why Poole are so successful!

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by GiveusaB

[lewy]

Paul starke incoming. 

[HGould]

In a nutshell

Nigel has thrown a good couple of hundred K at it and has yet to see any real upturn in Crowds since Peter and David left.

Peter and David had lost a substantial sum and were worn out physically and mentally

A weak Team last year and a weaker one to start this off a slightly reduced budget meant losses were mounting.

Two options 

 

Stick - aim to survive until end of season and wait and see what future of Stadium is. Lose more each week.

Twist - bring in new Manager, at a cost, bring in new riders, at a cost, be brutal and aim for Play Off and hope that we are as strong then as we can be.

Hope that may be a Play Off semi or Final generate a couple of Crowds the like of which not seen for a fair while....by brummies standards that would be 1000+

Then pray that Stadium is available next year and a wave of enthusiasm generates a few hundred more to regularly come through the Gates.

ITS VERY BRAVE and Nigel should be given credit for it ; ITS VERY STUPID and he joins the list of newer Owners who have tried and failed on the basis that their model is NOT sustainable. The overall model is only sustainable for a few and Birmingham is no longer capable of supporting CL or PL level Speedway and NDL level is not viable given set Stadium Costs.

Whether it's brave OR stupid is the choice of any supporter to make, one thing you can't say is that Nigel isn't trying!

 

The competition though for diminishing "recreational disposable  income" is massive locally, Villa in Europe, Blues new multi billionaire Owners, Wolves and WBA selling high levels of ST's, Edbaston a sell out at any T20 and Test Match, other Sports vying for support and participation.

Nothing else to say really other than good luck nigel!

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by HGould
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[GiveusaB]

17 minutes ago, HGould said:

In a nutshell

Nigel has thrown a good couple of hundred K at it and has yet to see any real upturn in Crowds since Peter and David left.

Peter and David had lost a substantial sum and were worn out physically and mentally

A weak Team last year and a weaker one to start this off a slightly reduced budget meant losses were mounting.

Two options 

 

Stick - aim to survive until end of season and wait and see what future of Stadium is. Lose more each week.

Twist - bring in new Manager, at a cost, bring in new riders, at a cost, be brutal and aim for Play Off and hope that we are as strong then as we can be.

Hope that may be a Play Off semi or Final generate a couple of Crowds the like of which not seen for a fair while....by brummies standards that would be 1000+

Then pray that Stadium is available next year and a wave of enthusiasm generates a few hundred more to regularly come through the Gates.

ITS VERY BRAVE and Nigel should be given credit for it ; ITS VERY STUPID and he joins the list of newer Owners who have tried and failed on the basis that their model is NOT sustainable. The overall model is only sustainable for a few and Birmingham is no longer capable of supporting CL or PL level Speedway and NDL level is not viable given set Stadium Costs.

Whether it's brave OR stupid is the choice of any supporter to make, one thing you can't say is that Nigel isn't trying!

 

The competition though for diminishing "recreational disposable  income" is massive locally, Villa in Europe, Blues new multi billionaire Owners, Wolves and WBA selling high levels of ST's, Edbaston a sell out at any T20 and Test Match, other Sports vying for support and participation.

Nothing else to say really other than good luck nigel!

 

It wont help if you keep going to Oxford on a Wednesday 

[GiveusaB]

On 6/28/2023 at 2:36 PM, GiveusaB said:

From B'ham forum...new averages from July 1st gives us 4.78 for a replacement for the injured J.T (out for 6 weeks and not likely to make much of an impact on return, based on previous performances...)

Paul Starke on 4.44 ???

[HGould]

9 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

It wont help if you keep going to Oxford on a Wednesday 

It's an easier trip for me now to be honest, not getting any younger and get a lift to Oxford.

I'm very keen for Brummies to get through this though and thrive.

I think a new venue though with better viewing and more control for Promotion though is vital and land is not cheap and planning permissions very hard. 

[szkocjasid]

42 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

Starke doesn't fit, maybe Jack Smith for Joe T to fit under the limit?

Edit: I'm getting confused, Starke fits to replace Dan T, wouldn't for for Joe T!

Edited July 4, 2023 by szkocjasid

[bloom89]

2 hours ago, GiveusaB said:

looks like 2 new signings on the way ?

Very refreshing to see what the new manager is doing to 'improve' the team!

Could see Boughen replace Hagon when he turns 16. Dickson got him to sign for Leicester so would make sense imo.

[StephenMiller]

Just now, szkocjasid said:

Starke doesn't fit, maybe Jack Smith for Joe T to fit under the limit?

Given Jack's form I think that would be a big backwards step

[szkocjasid]

8 minutes ago, StephenMiller said:

Given Jack's form I think that would be a big backwards step

He's not needed to fit under the averages, I made a mistake

[the hobbit]

15 minutes ago, StephenMiller said:

Given Jack's form I think that would be a big backwards step

I watched smith st Kent recently. I was really shocked at how poor smith was. He has really, really gone backwards big time. He had two stupid crashed which were embarrassing to witness. 
there’s no way I would give smith a team spot. Sad as he showed so much potential as s youngster. 
At Kent, he looked like a raw novice just starting out in the sport, his body language on the bike was dreadful and he looked devoid of any confidence. 
Absolutely not the answer 

[GiveusaB]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

It's an easier trip for me now to be honest, not getting any younger and get a lift to Oxford.

I'm very keen for Brummies to get through this though and thrive.

I think a new venue though with better viewing and more control for Promotion though is vital and land is not cheap and planning permissions very hard. 

I was only teasing mate....I totally agree about the venue/viewing etc....

Must be quite satisfying going to a meeting that has a good atmosphere (Oxford..)

[GiveusaB]

1 hour ago, bloom89 said:

Could see Boughen replace Hagon when he turns 16. Dickson got him to sign for Leicester so would make sense imo.

Unfortunately he's not 16 till end of August!

I wonder what points/ave are left after Starke signing ?

Could Ashley Morris be returning, or may be Shanes ?

Edited July 4, 2023 by GiveusaB

[Sings4Speedway]

52 minutes ago, the hobbit said:

I watched smith st Kent recently. I was really shocked at how poor smith was. He has really, really gone backwards big time. He had two stupid crashed which were embarrassing to witness. 
there’s no way I would give smith a team spot. Sad as he showed so much potential as s youngster. 
At Kent, he looked like a raw novice just starting out in the sport, his body language on the bike was dreadful and he looked devoid of any confidence. 
Absolutely not the answer 

To be fair Jack Smith hates Iwade, he was tripe when Belle Vue came last season and i was shocked he bothered to make the trip this time (probably wishes he didn't).

As for Brum the name ive heard thrown around will excite nobody (again)

[arnieg]

55 minutes ago, the hobbit said:

I watched smith st Kent recently. I was really shocked at how poor smith was. He has really, really gone backwards big time. He had two stupid crashed which were embarrassing to witness. 
there’s no way I would give smith a team spot. Sad as he showed so much potential as s youngster. 
At Kent, he looked like a raw novice just starting out in the sport, his body language on the bike was dreadful and he looked devoid of any confidence. 
Absolutely not the answer 

And yet two weeks before he looked superb at Mildenhall (not the easiest of tracks).

And a week before that I thought he was woeful and Oxford.