Pinny Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 This side could be nearly as bad as that shocking Mildenhall side . Awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, noaksey said: Has anyone ever made any money promoting speedway at Birmingham at this stadium, not including the first season back which must have been successful....presumably I think Tony Mole made it pay for most of the seasons he was Promoting with Graham Drury as team manager, Patchett never took up his option to buy so I guess he lost money, Phillips lost money hand over fist so much so that Tony Mole had to rescue them, and now Nigel Tolley seems to be losing money by the bucket loads, National League speedway would have at least limited the loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pinny said: This side could be nearly as bad as that shocking Mildenhall side . Awful Not that bad they beat my team Plymouth.now we are not a bad team on paper but something ain’t right a bit like Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Petecc said: Where does this magic figure of 1000 come from ? From Tolley himself at the Aston manor cricket club meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, heathen52 said: I think Tony Mole made it pay for most of the seasons he was Promoting with Graham Drury as team manager, Patchett never took up his option to buy so I guess he lost money, Phillips lost money hand over fist so much so that Tony Mole had to rescue them, and now Nigel Tolley seems to be losing money by the bucket loads, National League speedway would have at least limited the loses. Not great is it and that's assuming Mole did ok, don't forget the Mason's Edited June 9, 2023 by noaksey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, noaksey said: Not great is it and that's assuming Mole did ok, don't forget the Mason's Whoops yeah, how did I miss the Masons out ?, and if I remember correctly the Cradley promotion also said they lost money at Birmingham when they rode National League, so as you say not great, There does seem to be a consistency no matter who tries. Edited June 9, 2023 by heathen52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 I think the future of Birmingham depends on how deep Nigel Tolleys pockets are and how long his enthusiasm lasts, more than attendance numbers. I honestly thought Morris was a decent signing and should finish in the top 3 of the averages in this league, but it's just happening for whatever reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Dog said: I think the future of Birmingham depends on how deep Nigel Tolleys pockets are and how long his enthusiasm lasts, more than attendance numbers. I honestly thought Morris was a decent signing and should finish in the top 3 of the averages in this league, but it's just happening for whatever reason I suspect the length of that future will depend to an extent on the meeting with the Landlords later this month, if the Landlords want to follow the same pathway as Entain are doing at Monmore, then what's the point in carrying on ?. Edited June 9, 2023 by heathen52 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Petecc said: Where does this magic figure of 1000 come from ? Predicted costs divided by number of meetings, then, number of paying fans at £20 a head , to cover those expected costs. simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, noaksey said: Has anyone ever made any money promoting speedway at Birmingham at this stadium, not including the first season back which must have been successful....presumably Tony mole made a small profit every season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, the hobbit said: Tony mole made a small profit every season Good team would be a start .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, the hobbit said: Predicted costs divided by number of meetings, then, number of paying fans at £20 a head , to cover those expected costs. simples I can't imagine it's easy trying to run a business with 'predicted' costs. Your basically guessing from one week to another and this must be why it's so hard to be sustainable. Maybe riders demands outweigh income? But if you have no riders you have no income and no sport. Maybe it needs wage-capping and going back to amateur status to be sustainable and build from the ground up. Obviously some clubs don't seem to be suffering like Birmingham or Newcastle last season but you need more coming in than going out to survive. I know it's basic economics but I wonder how many clubs follow it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 7 hours ago, the hobbit said: Predicted costs divided by number of meetings, then, number of paying fans at £20 a head , to cover those expected costs. simples I was there and that was followed with the more sponsorship we get the the lower that figure becomes. There is more sponsors this year so that figure goes down. The 1000 is without any sponsorship, so please don't just use the facts that suits your argument. Nigel Tolley is having a hard enough time at the moment and like the rest of speedway needs our support. It's easy to kick a dog when it's down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 The 2018 NDL season saw Brummies and Eastbourne forced up in reality by BSPL, Stoke and Buxton effectively forced out. Kent are still in but in a very different setting, only Mildenhall and BV Colts remain. Kent were effectively also forced up after 2019 season although Len I gather seriously considered PL but was blocked out. Plymouth were similarly forced up after Somerset folded , Newcastle moved in and quickly out, IOW forced out , Coventry vanished but Landlords Leicester moved in. It really does emphasise that the ideal scenrio would be an enhanced PL and a development secod tier that hoovers up anyone in CL not riding in PL and bona fide NDL riders with the caveat that those on the Rising Star Scheme have NDL Exemption to ride in NDL for 3-4 seasons. Two tiers who are self managed by their own Management Committees. The issues with many ideally suited to that level has been dictated by a Management Committee not interested in NDL in reality, other than to neuter the product. Whilst the PL remains a closed shop in terms of numbers the danger is where do Clubs like Poole / Glasgow / Oxfrod gravitate to, whilst the cartel protects the TV money and allows little if any trickle down. No doubt Messers Bates, Louis and Ford would be in PL, Godfrey would have to decide but i suspect he is very good at managing to a budget at some point below PL that could fit in an enhanced NDL and not impact negatively on his crowd levels or business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 I said at the beginning of the season Birmingham should have gone National league. Watching a league winning team on smaller wages in front of more fans would make more financial sense. I hope the stadium owners don't kick them out and they can rebuild next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, eric i said: I said at the beginning of the season Birmingham should have gone National league. Watching a league winning team on smaller wages in front of more fans would make more financial sense. I hope the stadium owners don't kick them out and they can rebuild next year. I would agree with considering the loss made last season.The entertainment factor is still very good.Could see a couple of other Clubs going the same way IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 http://birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3308 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, screm said: http://birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3308 "Just 48 hours after a second straight 56-34 home loss .." Can't even get the score right! Edited June 10, 2023 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 The manager ! Replace him before any team changes! Cmon... its bloody obvious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 6 hours ago, arnieg said: "Just 48 hours after a second straight 56-34 home loss .." Can't even get the score right! You are incorrect - the phrase "home loss" is correct if you check the fixtures/results section on the official site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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