HGould Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, noaksey said: Is the wheels place still there? The site is still there and the track can be seen. Stocks Bangers closed, never recovered from the tragic death of the Teng Tools Boss crushed by a Tractor on the Centre Green. It's contaminated land about 15 acres. Strong rumours though that new Owners of Birmingham City a big US Hedge Fund with about 10 billion of managed funds want to build a 45000 seat stadium and turn it into a sports Village. Whether motor sport separate stadium would figure is debatable. The contamination may take 3 years just to clear though so no quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, HGould said: About 500 average That’s on a good day. nearer 350 average 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 57 minutes ago, the hobbit said: That’s on a good day. nearer 350 average Tragic. Those figures are barely sustainable at any level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, HGould said: The site is still there and the track can be seen. Stocks Bangers closed, never recovered from the tragic death of the Teng Tools Boss crushed by a Tractor on the Centre Green. It's contaminated land about 15 acres. Strong rumours though that new Owners of Birmingham City a big US Hedge Fund with about 10 billion of managed funds want to build a 45000 seat stadium and turn it into a sports Village. Whether motor sport separate stadium would figure is debatable. The contamination may take 3 years just to clear though so no quick fix. Thanks. That would be an ideal place for a National League side for Brum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 8 hours ago, the hobbit said: You are so so wrong!!! Rogers is an inept buffoon and is the worst thing to have happened to our club in recent times. There are many fans who feel like this snd many who stay away because of him. He’s never been part of a successful team snd never will be . there’s a reason he’s had so many clubs snd that’s because once they realise how much of a muppet he is, they can’t wait to get rid of him you are welcome to him at your club because we don’t want him at ours I'd certainly echo what Crescent Girl has said. In all my years watching speedway, I have never known anyone more passionate about the sport than Laurence Rogers. That doesn't necessarily make him a good team manager, but I can remember a few years ago Wolverhampton fans turning their ire on Peter Adams after a string of rubbish performances and a poor final league position. Adams was - and remains - the most successful in top flight speedway's history. I don't think that this is a matter of spite, but it is a matter of looking for someone to blame for Birmingham's disastrous on track performances over the last couple of seasons - in other words, a scapegoat. What you seem to believe is that if he left and the 'inept buffoon' was replaced by someone apparently more competent on track performances would dramatically improve. Looking through the 2023 predictions thread, most have Birmingham bottom and none have them in a play off spot. That means the team is poor - which it clearly is - and therefore whoever comes in is extremely unlikely to turn things around without significant changes. Booting Rogers out, then, will almost certainly make very little difference. I am not aware how much say Laurence Rogers had in building the team, but given a reported £250k loss last year even if he was wholly responsible it is more than likely that his hands - not unreasonably - were significantly tied in terms of the budget for the team. Blaming him - and only him - for Birmingham's present form seems to me, then, to be totally unsupported by the actual circumstances in existence. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 It's June now so Tate Z might be allowed to ride soon by the doctors? Wonder if he will come over? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said: I'd certainly echo what Crescent Girl has said. In all my years watching speedway, I have never known anyone more passionate about the sport than Laurence Rogers. That doesn't necessarily make him a good team manager, but I can remember a few years ago Wolverhampton fans turning their ire on Peter Adams after a string of rubbish performances and a poor final league position. Adams was - and remains - the most successful in top flight speedway's history. I don't think that this is a matter of spite, but it is a matter of looking for someone to blame for Birmingham's disastrous on track performances over the last couple of seasons - in other words, a scapegoat. What you seem to believe is that if he left and the 'inept buffoon' was replaced by someone apparently more competent on track performances would dramatically improve. Looking through the 2023 predictions thread, most have Birmingham bottom and none have them in a play off spot. That means the team is poor - which it clearly is - and therefore whoever comes in is extremely unlikely to turn things around without significant changes. Booting Rogers out, then, will almost certainly make very little difference. I am not aware how much say Laurence Rogers had in building the team, but given a reported £250k loss last year even if he was wholly responsible it is more than likely that his hands - not unreasonably - were significantly tied in terms of the budget for the team. Blaming him - and only him - for Birmingham's present form seems to me, then, to be totally unsupported by the actual circumstances in existence. The problem for me is the People running the sport are in denial and seem to the sport is in good health.The sport needs a major revamp IMO. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Tragic. Those figures are barely sustainable at any level Especially when the promotor stated before the season started he needed 1000 just to break even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 14 hours ago, lisa-colette said: It's June now so Tate Z might be allowed to ride soon by the doctors? Wonder if he will come over? How long would the visa application take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarsbar2 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: How long would the visa application take? Presumably not very long going by Edinburgh being able to bring in Bastian Borke after losing to Scunthorpe on 26/05 and before their averages changed on 01/06. Seemed to have more difficulty finding a 2 point rider. I'm sure Berwick signed Jonas Knudsen on a temporary visa last year then applied for a full visa. There was a hold up in it being processed and he then had to sit out a few meeting but was back before the end of the season. Edited June 9, 2023 by gmarsbar2 additional info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 20 hours ago, HGould said: About 500 average How can u run a club on 500 ave ... And loosing at home ...Future doesnt look good ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Argos said: Especially when the promotor stated before the season started he needed 1000 just to break even Sounds like another season of heavy losses which is tragic for Tolley who was brave enough to try and keep the Brummies running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Sounds like another season of heavy losses which is tragic for Tolley who was brave enough to try and keep the Brummies running. People arnt going to pay £20 to watch rubbish...poor team from the start ...Morris is nva a 10 + rider ..Bad call from the start .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: People arnt going to pay £20 to watch rubbish...poor team from the start ...Morris is nva a 10 + rider ..Bad call from the start .. Exactly! I think Morris is struggling to hit a 7 average if that atm. Only Bowtell improving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Exactly! I think Morris is struggling to hit a 7 average if that atm. Only Bowtell improving! Why cant the management see this from the start ...You need to win at home to get people back again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 To be fair the ignorance at the start of the season (thinking/hoping/expecting) crowds of 1000 for a break even figure. Id question if that figure would be regularly reached even if the admittance was £10. I admire the optimism but that has never paid the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) As a matter of interest what were the crowds in the boom years in the NL( 2014/18) when Birmingham had the likes of Adam Ellis etc and had stern competition from Eastbourne and BV etc over a 3 /4 year period, probably more than now I imagine. Like Eastbourne were pretty successful over that period, I always said that was the level of clubs like those 2 and many others, but I still think was deemed too successful and a threat to the higher leagues and diluted it. My club has gone, and sadly Birmingham look likely to follow if crowds are only 300/500. Edited June 9, 2023 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, gazzac said: As a matter of interest what were the crowds in the boom years in the NL( 2014/18) when Birmingham had the likes of Adam Ellis etc and had stern competition from Eastbourne and BV etc over a 3 /4 year period, probably more than now I imagine. Like Eastbourne were pretty successful over that period, I always said that was the level of clubs like those 2 and many others, but I still think was deemed too successful and a threat to the higher leagues and diluted it. My club has gone, and sadly Birmingham look likely to follow if crowds are only 300/500. A hell of a lot more than now snd definitely enough to have hit the 1000 currently needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Where does this magic figure of 1000 come from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Has anyone ever made any money promoting speedway at Birmingham at this stadium, not including the first season back which must have been successful....presumably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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