CHAMPIONSHIP PLANS FOR ’23

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, iainb said:

And going back to No 2... clubs can effectively do this at the moment with a call off on a dodgy forecast, no medical cover, a broken power line, a broken water pipe, a football match on the telly... take your pick and then restage the match after the play off cut off

While teams may call off a match if they think there will be a poor crowd (for a variety of reasons) but no one would PLAN to race after the cut-off date as surely that would hit the crowd just as badly?

[szkocjasid]

22 hours ago, iainb said:

The ONLY way it is going to work is of they get away from this ridiculous idea that rained off meetings HAVE to be restaged, they don't in Cricket, they shouldn't in Speedway. 

 

19 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

issues with that, 2) how do they work out the match result, clubs could cancel meetings / say track it too dangerous depending on opposition, 3) riders miss out on matches & lose money

 

19 hours ago, iainb said:

2) 1 point each, only a Referee can call a match off while they are in attendance any call off prior is done by the SCB.

3) Riders and clubs will be more willing to get matches on

A couple more thoughts 2) a home club needs a win to make play-offs, but referee calls it off - they only get 1 point & miss out on top 4/6 through no fault of their own! The reverse, it seems Glasgow pressured the referee to cancel their play-off match against Poole, so a team could do that if they only need 1 point & don't want to risk defeat.

3) is it possible riders / teams will feel encouraged to ride in poor conditions as they are desperate to get the match on?

Also regarding your opinion of matches not having to be restaged, what if a club has a rain-off in April & has several blank race-days before September, surely they can fit the fixture in then? I may agree with you if the rule was rain-offs in September / October don't have to be restaged!

[tyretrax]

8 hours ago, Edin03 said:

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From what I’ve heard, they’ve also been paying a certain Dane to drop his average this season…

Is that the same as what the Edinburgers did with the German at Glasgow?

[ragdoll64]

9 hours ago, Edin03 said:

It goes without saying, the Facennas have been brilliant for Glasgow and British Speedway but the amount of the money and equipment they’ve thrown at riders in desperation to win the league is ludicrous. 

From what I’ve heard, they’ve also been paying a certain Dane to drop his average this season…

If you give us the details of the ludicrous amounts of money and equipment they have thrown at riders, as supporters, we will be able to come to our own conclusions of how our club is run. I take it you are Glasgow’s accountant……or at least have been given these details from them?  Or have you been round every Glasgow rider asking them for the details of their contracts?

[xvcjk]

1 hour ago, Jaizer said:

I'll take a stab you're meaning Santa Claus?

Indeed

[Mike0310]

2 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

Lawson approached Poole, fact and from the horses mouth 

I wasn’t impressed with the whole Lawson thing last season,but last season is over now so everyone should move on I’m still not impressed with the incident With Lawson and palm toft as it may of cost us last season I say may as season is now over and who knows what might have happened Lawson must have had his reasons for reneging on his deal with Plymouth but it couldn’t have had anything to do with money as I no that every rider was paid every penny they were owed so something else must have spooked him. As I say I wasn’t impressed but he made the right decision for him as he won the title but it’s time to put the rest of it to bed and it’s up to everyone else’s teams to knock Poole of there perch next season.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

While teams may call off a match if they think there will be a poor crowd (for a variety of reasons) but no one would PLAN to race after the cut-off date as surely that would hit the crowd just as badly?

Nobody plans to run after the cut off date at the moment... but they do. 

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

 

 

A couple more thoughts 2) a home club needs a win to make play-offs, but referee calls it off - they only get 1 point & miss out on top 4/6 through no fault of their own! The reverse, it seems Glasgow pressured the referee to cancel their play-off match against Poole, so a team could do that if they only need 1 point & don't want to risk defeat.

3) is it possible riders / teams will feel encouraged to ride in poor conditions as they are desperate to get the match on?

Also regarding your opinion of matches not having to be restaged, what if a club has a rain-off in April & has several blank race-days before September, surely they can fit the fixture in then? I may agree with you if the rule was rain-offs in September / October don't have to be restaged!

2) it would be their own fault for not having accrued enough points prior to qualify. Don't forget this is a league, not a knock out competition. 

3) There's a difference between poor conditions and a waterlogged track. If the ref deems the track rideable it's down to both teams to get on with it. 

[Fromafar]

7 minutes ago, Mike0310 said:

I wasn’t impressed with the whole Lawson thing last season,but last season is over now so everyone should move on I’m still not impressed with the incident With Lawson and palm toft as it may of cost us last season I say may as season is now over and who knows what might have happened Lawson must have had his reasons for reneging on his deal with Plymouth but it couldn’t have had anything to do with money as I no that every rider was paid every penny they were owed so something else must have spooked him. As I say I wasn’t impressed but he made the right decision for him as he won the title but it’s time to put the rest of it to bed and it’s up to everyone else’s teams to knock Poole of there perch next season.

He told his reasons when interviewed for Poole Podcast,that was straight from the horses mouth.Don’t know why people are still going on about it.

[Mike0310]

I don’t watch the Poole podcast so I didn’t no that and I still don’t no the reasons feel free to enlighten me please if you would.

[LisaColette]

12 minutes ago, Mike0310 said:

I don’t watch the Poole podcast so I didn’t no that and I still don’t no the reasons feel free to enlighten me please if you would.

Be better to watch it for yourself really I'm sure they would appreciate the views! 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by lisa-colette

[lewy]

5 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

Lawson approached Poole, fact and from the horses mouth 

Well he could have said "I was happy to sign for Plymouth i enjoy riding there but when Poole rang me and said we would better your Plymouth deal if you sign for us and having been not paid up by Eastbourne i needed to make up for that he couldn't refuse.  Obviously he wouldn't say that because Poole would be guilty of illegal approach and it wouldn't reflect well on him either. He was more than happy to guest for Plymouth 3 weeks into the season at scunthorpe so obviously had no reservations about being paid then.

[LisaColette]

3 minutes ago, lewy said:

Well he could have said "I was happy to sign for Plymouth i enjoy riding there but when Poole rang me and said we would better your Plymouth deal if you sign for us and having been not paid up by Eastbourne i needed to make up for that he couldn't refuse.  Obviously he wouldn't say that because Poole would be guilty of illegal approach and it wouldn't reflect well on him either. He was more than happy to guest for Plymouth 3 weeks into the season at scunthorpe so obviously had no reservations about being paid then.

Lewy, you can say what you want but I'm afraid no Poole fan is going to buy that. Richard has said his version. I have never heard Plymouth say there was an illegal approach publically. So until there is can only take his side. 

[lewy]

2 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Lewy, you can say what you want but I'm afraid no Poole fan is going to buy that. Richard has said his version. I have never heard Plymouth say there was an illegal approach publically. So until there is can only take his side. 

Yes you are right I can say what I like as can Richard Lawson, doesn't mean it's the truth but everyone knows riders get tapped up all the time but no one would admit it would they you would be really naive too do that especially on a podcast for the club that tapped you up. If he thought Plymouth wouldn't pay him why would he guest for them3 weeks into said season a bit hypocritical imo. 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by lewy

[mc131]

29 minutes ago, lewy said:

Yes you are right I can say what I like as can Richard Lawson, doesn't mean it's the truth but everyone knows riders get tapped up all the time but no one would admit it would they you would be really naive too do that especially on a podcast for the club that tapped you up. If he thought Plymouth wouldn't pay him why would he guest for them,a bit hypocritical imo. 

 

On the pay front surely 1 meeting is a bit different from a month +worth of wages which he would have 2 ride or be banned I'm sure most would roll the dice for 1 meeting 

[HGould]

Lawson would have been on a fat guarantee at Lakeside and Eastbourne and presumably Plymouth. 

Poole don't pay guarantees and he's responded in great style by upping his scoring if not his average. Fair play to him. 

Hopefully the BSPL will render guarantees as history as the Sport can't afford them. 

By signing for Poole, he's also had 2 semis and 2 finals in both Cup and League Play Off (8 meetings) he wouldn't have had at Plymouth, guarantee or not, and won medals. 

Win win I'd say for him, more income and more meetings and a secure future at Poole, more meetings to help cover what he was still owed by Lakeside and Eastbourne in the past. 

 

 

[M.D]

28 minutes ago, HGould said:

Lawson would have been on a fat guarantee at Lakeside and Eastbourne and presumably Plymouth. 

 

 

He was on a ridiculous guarantee at Eastbourne, saying that, he never sat back and took the money, all out commitment for Eastie.

That says more about Eastbournes last management and a lot about Richard, good rider and top bloke.

[SteveLyric2]

45 minutes ago, HGould said:

Lawson would have been on a fat guarantee at Lakeside and Eastbourne and presumably Plymouth. 

Poole don't pay guarantees and he's responded in great style by upping his scoring if not his average. Fair play to him. 

Hopefully the BSPL will render guarantees as history as the Sport can't afford them. 

By signing for Poole, he's also had 2 semis and 2 finals in both Cup and League Play Off (8 meetings) he wouldn't have had at Plymouth, guarantee or not, and won medals. 

Win win I'd say for him, more income and more meetings and a secure future at Poole, more meetings to help cover what he was still owed by Lakeside and Eastbourne in the past. 

 

 

Crikey!!!

[SteveLyric2]

2 hours ago, lewy said:

Yes you are right I can say what I like as can Richard Lawson, doesn't mean it's the truth but everyone knows riders get tapped up all the time but no one would admit it would they you would be really naive too do that especially on a podcast for the club that tapped you up. If he thought Plymouth wouldn't pay him why would he guest for them,a bit hypocritical imo. 

 

Just for the record PiratecastLive is a completely unofficial video and podcast  professionally produced and presented by 2 Pirate fans completely voluntarily and not part of the official club structure specifically so that any criticisms of the club can be and are aired. (Clearly its usually mostly positive). Each live episode features a guest - often a rider, but has also had Middlo, Karlito(DJ), Scotty Mitchell, and SCB referee Christina Turnbull to name a few - all of whom are asked questions from the fans in the chat room. All episodes are available to view on You-Tube or to listen to as a podcast on all platforms.

The lads intend to continue through the winter to maintain the speedway fix. Give it a try.......

Edited November 6, 2022 by Skidder1

[stevehone]

2 hours ago, lewy said:

Yes you are right I can say what I like as can Richard Lawson, doesn't mean it's the truth but everyone knows riders get tapped up all the time but no one would admit it would they you would be really naive too do that especially on a podcast for the club that tapped you up. If he thought Plymouth wouldn't pay him why would he guest for them3 weeks into said season a bit hypocritical imo. 

 

when guesting riders can dictate terms a little better .. i knew of a rider that made sure his travel was covered in full, what it actually cost, not what the standard pence per mile was.

maybe Lawson was paid X amount up front?

[lewy]

12 minutes ago, stevehone said:

when guesting riders can dictate terms a little better .. i knew of a rider that made sure his travel was covered in full, what it actually cost, not what the standard pence per mile was.

maybe Lawson was paid X amount up front?

Maybe, maybe not