CHAMPIONSHIP PLANS FOR ’23

[Neila]

Sometimes less is more especially in these financial times, maybe could run 2 home and 2 away meetings a month between May and end of August, you will have meaningful fixtures and the fan will be paying only twice a month instead of every week,  If any club want to run more fixtures plenty of free dates on this schedule 

[arnieg]

With only 8 Wednesdays that don't clash with Denmark and 5 non-Wednesday clubs who either have already declared Danes or had Danes last season, I have no idea how anyone believed two home and away was a goer.

[eric i]

Should have gone 2 home and away and scraped the other competitions. The play offs should be top 4 none of this mini league stuff. I bet the unsuccessful teams will be finished in August and the Successful ones will be struggling to complete their fixtures before November. 

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, eric i said:

Should have gone 2 home and away and scraped the other competitions. The play offs should be top 4 none of this mini league stuff. I bet the unsuccessful teams will be finished in August and the Successful ones will be struggling to complete their fixtures before November. 

Agree,it’s an unfair fixture list for some Teams.

[screm]

1 hour ago, eric i said:

Should have gone 2 home and away and scraped the other competitions. The play offs should be top 4 none of this mini league stuff. I bet the unsuccessful teams will be finished in August and the Successful ones will be struggling to complete their fixtures before November. 

Isn't that the truth, the one great mystery of speedway is always that we have a firm deadline for the completion of fixtures yet year after year teams are forced to run on consecutive nights, run on off run and this season run home meetings on away tracks. Surely next season will be different....surely.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, eric i said:

Should have gone 2 home and away and scraped the other competitions. The play offs should be top 4 none of this mini league stuff. I bet the unsuccessful teams will be finished in August and the Successful ones will be struggling to complete their fixtures before November. 

As there will be 6 teams in the play-offs & only 3 not qualifying - the majority will be riding on into September.

[szkocjasid]

I think it's important to look to the future of British Speedway.

100% need to avoid clubs having too many fixtures to do Champ & NL, so therefore pulling out of the NL. Certainly can't expect the NL to survive on 3 clubs (or 5 if counting Prem teams).

I have no issue with a lower points limit, but I wish they had the same riding order ruling as Prem teams (weakest rider at 7, can't be dropped from heat 8)! Using them at 6 means after heat 2, they may not race a reserve again. Gotta encourage the top NL riders to step up as surely it's cheaper to use 2.00 Brits at reserve than to fly in foreigners?

 

 

[Fromafar]

4 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

As there will be 6 teams in the play-offs & only 3 not qualifying - the majority will be riding on into September.

Only because it could be an elongated fixture list with rider availability (as usual).

[Albert]

22 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

I think it's important to look to the future of British Speedway.

100% need to avoid clubs having too many fixtures to do Champ & NL, so therefore pulling out of the NL. Certainly can't expect the NL to survive on 3 clubs (or 5 if counting Prem teams).

I have no issue with a lower points limit, but I wish they had the same riding order ruling as Prem teams (weakest rider at 7, can't be dropped from heat 8)! Using them at 6 means after heat 2, they may not race a reserve again. Gotta encourage the top NL riders to step up as surely it's cheaper to use 2.00 Brits at reserve than to fly in foreigners?

 

 

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

[Fromafar]

15 minutes ago, Albert said:

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

The NDL is not really paying its way IMO.Too much money being given to riders who should really be up a level.Proper 2nd half’s for Young up and coming riders or riders new to the sport,giving them points money to keep them in the sport.It would be intersting to see what Clubs broke even on NDL league,not counting the stand alone Clubs.I admire the Clubs for trying to develop young talent but how  is it working out for them financially.

[HGould]

50 minutes ago, Albert said:

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

CL even with more common sense pay restraint would be financial suicide for Mildenhall and Kent, at their current venue. 

Better to find a level where you can be sustainable and be pragmatic. 

[eric i]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

I think it's important to look to the future of British Speedway.

100% need to avoid clubs having too many fixtures to do Champ & NL, so therefore pulling out of the NL. Certainly can't expect the NL to survive on 3 clubs (or 5 if counting Prem teams).

I have no issue with a lower points limit, but I wish they had the same riding order ruling as Prem teams (weakest rider at 7, can't be dropped from heat 8)! Using them at 6 means after heat 2, they may not race a reserve again. Gotta encourage the top NL riders to step up as surely it's cheaper to use 2.00 Brits at reserve than to fly in foreigners?

 

 

I take your point on the stand alone NL teams not being able to survive on their own. But at the same time there will be 3 weak teams in CL that don't make the playoffs, there must be a good chance these same teams don't progress in the KOC or the other the other cup. That's a total of 11 fixtures which could spell a very early end to the season.

The problem with the cup competitions is some clubs will get rain offs and they will reschedule the rematch for latter in the season but this leaves other clubs waiting to see who their opponents are and unable to fill the gaps in their fixture list. Whereas if it were just '2 home and away' you get a much easier to arrange/schedule fixture list with fewer gaps. Every team should be able to get their 16home meetings in before the end of August(5 blank/spare weeks for rain offs), 4 best teams complete the playoffs completed before October.

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, Albert said:

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

I think riders would find it a lot harder to step up without NL racing. Just look at the progress of Ace Pijper after one season of NL racing then beats Sam Masters at Redcar!

As for a "meaningful second half event" I think the Premiership has already shown how little they think of rider development. PJL ignored in 2021, then not completed in 2022. Given clubs only had to race 2 x 6 heat home matches that's a pretty poor effort (by the southern clubs) imo.

Edited November 17, 2022 by szkocjasid

[phillwhitewasmad]

6 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

I think riders would find it a lot harder to step up without NL racing. Just look at the progress of Ace Pijper after one season of NL racing then beats Sam Masters at Redcar!

As for a "meaningful second half event" I think the Premiership has already shown how little they think of rider development. PJL ignored in 2021, then not completed in 2022. Given clubs only had to race 2 x 6 heat home matches that's a pretty poor effort imo.

Pretty poor effort by some not all don't tar all clubs with same brush. 

[szkocjasid]

15 minutes ago, eric i said:

I take your point on the stand alone NL teams not being able to survive on their own. But at the same time there will be 3 weak teams in CL that don't make the playoffs, there must be a good chance these same teams don't progress in the KOC or the other the other cup. That's a total of 11 fixtures which could spell a very early end to the season.

The problem with the cup competitions is some clubs will get rain offs and they will reschedule the rematch for latter in the season but this leaves other clubs waiting to see who their opponents are and unable to fill the gaps in their fixture list. Whereas if it were just '2 home and away' you get a much easier to arrange/schedule fixture list with fewer gaps. Every team should be able to get their 16home meetings in before the end of August(5 blank/spare weeks for rain offs), 4 best teams complete the playoffs completed before October.

I agree teams should be able to get their fixtures completed before October, but the reality is that it won't happen. Clubs call off matches days ahead due to poor weather forecast, or don't agree to dates due to foreign commitments!

2 home & 2 away, plus top 4 play-offs & no KOC / trophy, would probably be best for the Champ, but I feel could hurt the NDL!

[szkocjasid]

12 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Pretty poor effort by some not all don't tar all clubs with same brush. 

True, I think the Northern teams completed their fixtures. But I'm also referring to the league in general, first couple of matches had scoreboards listed, then that stopped. I was never aware of fixture & results unless I went out of my way to find them.

[25yearfan]

4 hours ago, Albert said:

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

100000000000 miles of the mark!

 

It would be financial suicide for Mildenhall and Kent to move up especially Kent at Iwade. Workington closed down in 2018 cause they couldn't make the 2nd tier pay on low crowds and they won the League!

 

Getting rid of the 3rd tier would wipe Mildenhall and Kent out of League racing and Workington wouldn't consider League racing without a cheaper Division to test the water.

 

The 3rd tier in its many guises had been one of the best things to happen in British speedway since its formation in 1994. In fact a 3rd tier was needed from the 1970's as the great Ian Thomas observed at the time. The likes of Workington, Barrow, Ellesmere Port, Milton Keynes, Birmingham Wheels, Hackney, Scunthorpe and Mildenhall who all closed in the 1978-1992 era would of stood a better chance of continuing and maybe other venues like Norton Canes, Felton, Iwade, Castleford, Matchams Park and others would of seen League racing which would of changed the landscape of British speedway.

 

Tracks like Rye House, Mildenhall, Somerset, Buxton, Stoke, Wimbledon, Arena Essex, Plymouth, Weymouth, IoW, Linlithgow, Carmarthen, Eastbourne, Birmingham and Rob Godfreys Scunthorpe would have not opened/reopened/kept going without  a 3rd Division. - The 3rd tier has been a nursery ground/feeder for the higher leagues in both riders and tracks. 

Young riders would have seen development limited without the 3rd tier cause the old junior Leagues had run its course by 1992.

On the subject of Junior Leagues - The Soutern Junior League, Midland development League and Northern Deveopment League were going well, ran at a lower level than the 3rd tier, until in their wisdom the BSPL decided they didn't like these Leagues so imposed sanctions that made running them in the previously successful format virtually impossible. The intended replacement The Premiership Junior league has been a farce so far with hardly any meetings taking place!  

All in all looking at the facts, the continued failure of the Premiership Junior League, current 3rd tier standalone tracks Mildenhall and Kent (in their current Iwade venue)) being unable to run at a higher Level and many young riders getting proper organised League racing experience then it becomes very obvious the 3rd tier has to continue!

Edited November 17, 2022 by 25yearfan

[mc131]

2 hours ago, Albert said:

We need to encourage Mildenhall and Kent to join the Championship. I'm sure Workington will make the jump once they've re-established themselves again. Scrap the NDL. Can always invent a proper, meaningful second half event for NDL standard riders. Just my opinion, don't shoot me. 

Sorry but before the ndl was messed with it was a great league, why scrap something tht does actually help young riders before champ racing? as for second halfs they are pointless as a couple of crashes they are called off the ndl is needed.

[Fromafar]

1 minute ago, mc131 said:

Sorry but before the ndl was messed with it was a great league, why scrap something tht does actually help young riders before champ racing? as for second halfs they are pointless as a couple of crashes they are called off the ndl is needed.

Ask the Promoter at Buxton I’m sure she could tell what they were doing wrong.A Club run in the manor the why the league was formed,until winning meant everything to some Clubs and started paying money some could not afford.Ironically most hav3 folded

[torpointfanatic22]

3 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

As there will be 6 teams in the play-offs & only 3 not qualifying - the majority will be riding on into September.

Which frankly dilutes the playoffs further. The playoffs should be tough to get to and a big thing if you get there. This season if you avoid the bottom 3rd of the league you qualify!